Proof boxers would dominate MMA

[Juggernaut]

The Mir vs. Noguiera fight is a poor example because

- Noguiera's gist of his stand up were from training with the Cuban Boxing Team when he was fighting in Pride FC.

- Noguiera is way past his prime. Compare this fight to his fight with Barnett and Cro Cop and you'll see a different person.

A better example if you want to use is Rashad Evans vs. Liddell.

Also I'm sure Noguiera didn't go for the take down cuz he probably thought He had better stand up than Mir in which case Mir surprised him. Also Noguiera has been known to be versatile so it's not a surprised if Noguiera gets knocked down a lot in a fight.

[e-low]

your an idiot, Nogeria is known for his submissions. Hes arguably one of the best submission artists in the sport at HW let alone in MMA. Nogeria uses his boxing to survive against stand up fighters so he can take them down when they think they can nail him. Boxers should stick to boxing, MMA artists shoudl stick to MMA. Its as simply as that.

[DiegoFuego]

The Mir vs. Noguiera fight is a poor example because

- Noguiera's gist of his stand up were from training with the Cuban Boxing Team when he was fighting in Pride FC.

- Noguiera is way past his prime. Compare this fight to his fight with Barnett and Cro Cop and you'll see a different person.

A better example if you want to use is Rashad Evans vs. Liddell.

Also I'm sure Noguiera didn't go for the take down cuz he probably thought He had better stand up than Mir in which case Mir surprised him. Also Noguiera has been known to be versatile so it's not a surprised if Noguiera gets knocked down a lot in a fight.

Thanks for contributing that info

[DiegoFuego]

your an idiot, Nogeria is known for his submissions. Hes arguably one of the best submission artists in the sport at HW let alone in MMA. Nogeria uses his boxing to survive against stand up fighters so he can take them down when they think they can nail him. Boxers should stick to boxing, MMA artists shoudl stick to MMA. Its as simply as that.

I still don't understand why anyone would let themself be picked apart with simple boxing. He looked hurt to me on two of the three knockdowns, so I don't understand why he wouldn't change his gameplan. Is Noguiera just an idiot? It seriously was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a fighter, boxing or MMA.

[potatoes]

Anybody see Mir vs. Noguiera? Mir is a lousy boxer at best and completely dominated the #2 or #3 rated heavyweight in their sport with basic boxing skills. Any top 10 heavyweight in boxing, even in this, our worst heavyweight division ever, would go undefeated in this **** sport that is MMA.

While it is true that any good boxer should be able to beat the streetfighters in the cage in theory, in practise this is not so simple. You have to remember that men are not machines, you can not just flip a switch and expect a good performance. We are all human and we are affected by our surroundings. Boxers will often try to avoid fighting an opponent in his backyard because it is difficult to perform well in that ambiance. Try walking into a cage with bare feet, having an audience that is hostile to you, and then worrying about a different set of rules. Are you really going to box as well as you can?

[MOREBASS]

I still don't understand why anyone would let themself be picked apart with simple boxing. He looked hurt to me on two of the three knockdowns, so I don't understand why he wouldn't change his gameplan. Is Noguiera just an idiot? It seriously was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a fighter, boxing or MMA.

Its because in MMA, your opponent's hands are not the only thing you have to be worried about.

There are so many more elements to MMA, that if you focus on one, chances are you are going to be caught off guard with something else.

[sunthunder]

The Mir vs. Noguiera fight is a poor example because

- Noguiera's gist of his stand up were from training with the Cuban Boxing Team when he was fighting in Pride FC.

- Noguiera is way past his prime. Compare this fight to his fight with Barnett and Cro Cop and you'll see a different person.

A better example if you want to use is Rashad Evans vs. Liddell.

Also I'm sure Noguiera didn't go for the take down cuz he probably thought He had better stand up than Mir in which case Mir surprised him. Also Noguiera has been known to be versatile so it's not a surprised if Noguiera gets knocked down a lot in a fight.

Thank you for pointing this out.

Like I posted earlier, people should watch his fight with Sergei Kharitonov. Nog looked a completely different fighter tonight, he had no head movement, he looked slow and his chin is now really fragile. He threw literally about 3 punches in the first round.

I mean, Nogueira has defeated opponents with his striking, I don't think anyone was wrong in predicting Nog to pick apart Mir standing. Nogueira has survived against and outstruck better strikers than Mir. He was able to do more to Fabricio Werdum standing than Arlovski could.

It really does just appear that time caught up with him.

[Juggernaut]

I still don't understand why anyone would let themself be picked apart with simple boxing. He looked hurt to me on two of the three knockdowns, so I don't understand why he wouldn't change his gameplan. Is Noguiera just an idiot? It seriously was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a fighter, boxing or MMA.

Heres video of Cro Cop (a known striker in MMA) against Noguiera from five years ago (ref cam). You can see Nog getting beat a lot, but in all honesty, he just keeps trying and trying till he gets you on the ground and subs you. Nog before the Mir fight was the guy who's never been KO'd, sub'd, or finished. He's very well known for his come backs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0D3UhPVrOw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GgQOrnILBQ

[sunthunder]

I still don't understand why anyone would let themself be picked apart with simple boxing. He looked hurt to me on two of the three knockdowns, so I don't understand why he wouldn't change his gameplan. Is Noguiera just an idiot? It seriously was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a fighter, boxing or MMA.

Mir is not the kind of fighter you want to desperately shoot for a takedown on. Nogueira has shown some vulnerabilities to the kind of dynamic submissions Mir specialises in. When you compare their styles, Nogueira is a very orthodox grappler, he uses the established BJJ ethos of securing an advantageous position, then the submission. Mir has a more aggressive style of BJJ, he'll go for unorthodox but powerfully applied submissions from things like sloppy takedowns and transitions.

Nogueira had the right gameplan initially, I just think his body has given up on him.

[DiegoFuego]

I'm sorry, but I seriously doubt the gameplan was to box a guy that was better in every way on his feet. Mir didn't even look remotely good at boxing, yet he still annihilated the guy. If he was shot, then that's different, but the guy never even attempted to fight. Was he just looking for one last payday or something?