Can we all agree that Calzaghe ****ed up in fighting RJJ and not Pavlik?

[Porter's Dad]

I mean...what did the RJJ win prove? Nothing. What has it done for his legacy? Nothing. And considering the mediocrity of the PPV numbers, was it even financially worth it, as his fans argued it was?

I rememeber another one of the things the Calslappy fans would argue was that a win over Pavlik wouldn't assure Calzaghe of a great resume, because Pavlik would be said to be an overrated, Lacy-esque bum afterwards.

Oh yeah? Try telling that to B-Hop. The respect that he has garnered on this very forum since that win over Pavlik has been immense. He will always be the guy who took out the middleweight champion who was knocking everyone out.

And while I don't think it would be an easy a win as it was for Hopkins over Pavlik, by virtue of the fact that Calslappy is way more open than Hopkins and wouldn't negate Pavlik's right hand as well, it's hard not to see a Calzaghe victory. And I say this as a Calslappy hater and a Pavlik fan.

I think this whole scenario is the story of his career.

He could have gone for the riskier fight. But he chose to play it safe. And for that, the doubts about his resume, legact and talents will always remain.

It encapsulates everything that is wrong with his career.

[Silencers]

Not really, Hopkins beating Pavlik just makes Calzaghe's win over Hopkins look that much better than it did, he was getting criticized for beating an over the hill Hopkins prior to the Hopkins-Pavlik fight and now he's getting much more credit for the win, although the detractors are still there, and always will be.

It may have been better for Calzaghe to say that he beat Pavlik but I don't think it was a screw up or anything like that.

[Abstraction]

He messed up back in 2001.
He was already 'champion' for 4 years, but took him like another 6 years to unify the divison.

In 2001 he should have been aiming to be in Madison Square Garden. Instead he opted to fight in Half-Empty Stadiums, against Reality TV show guys and bums.

Calzaghe had talent, but his own lack of confidence and meddling with W@rren is his downfall

[Abstraction]

Not really, Hopkins beating Pavlik just makes Calzaghe's win over Hopkins look that much better than it did, he was getting criticized for beating an over the hill Hopkins prior to the Hopkins-Pavlik fight and now he's getting much more credit for the win, although the detractors are still there, and always will be.

It may have been better for Calzaghe to say that he beat Pavlik but I don't think it was a screw up or anything like that.

Only Pathetic Calzaghe fans say that.

sorry, but styles make fights.
If that's the case, Hopkins should not have fought Tarver.
Since Tarver KTFO RJJ.
RJJ beat Hopkins 15 years earlier.
But what happened? Hopkins, heavy undersog schooled Tarver.
Never ran like other certain boxers

[Porter's Dad]

Not really, Hopkins beating Pavlik just makes Calzaghe's win over Hopkins look that much better than it did, he was getting criticized for beating an over the hill Hopkins prior to the Hopkins-Pavlik fight and now he's getting much more credit for the win, although the detractors are still there, and always will be.

It may have been better for Calzaghe to say that he beat Pavlik but I don't think it was a screw up or anything like that.

I respect you as a poster a heck of alot but I just can't agree with this at all.

What has the RJJ fight done for his legacy? His fans know it's not exactly a fight you can bring up in an argument over his resume and legacy.

What did that fight achieve?

And while he may have got more credit for beating Hops since Pavlik got schooled, how much more credit would he have got if he had done it HIMSELF?

What did the RJJ prove? What did it achieve?

[cuzfozzy]

he got paid more for the RJJ fight i thnk

[Silencers]

Only Pathetic Calzaghe fans say that.

sorry, but styles make fights.
If that's the case, Hopkins should not have fought Tarver.
Since Tarver KTFO RJJ.
RJJ beat Hopkins 15 years earlier.
But what happened? Hopkins, heavy undersog schooled Tarver.
Never ran like other certain boxers

I don't get the point you're trying to make.

[Silencers]

I respect you as a poster a heck of alot but I just can't agree with this at all.

What has the RJJ fight done for his legacy? His fans know it's not exactly a fight you can bring up in an argument over his resume and legacy.

What did that fight achieve?

And while he may have got more credit for beating Hops since Pavlik got schooled, how much more credit would he have got if he had done it HIMSELF?

What did the RJJ prove? What did it achieve?

I didn't say the Jones fight enhanced his legacy, I'm just saying it wasn't a **** up like you make it out to be because now his win over Hopkins looks much better than it did prior to Hopkins-Pavlik.

And a lot of people would have just called Pavlik overrated had Calzaghe beaten Pavlik, Hopkins gets a lot of credit for that win because he's 43 and was the underdog going into the fight, Calzaghe would have probably gotten quite a bit of criticism after the fight.

[Porter's Dad]

he got paid more for the RJJ fight i thnk

The PPV numbers were ****. And while I normally don't care about **** like that, it does make you wonder whether a fight with RJJ really was even financially worth it.

I know Pavlik v Hopkins did bad numbers too, but that's because Hopkins style has been off-putting for a while, and everyone thought it was a mismatch, considering how old Hopkins looked against Slappy.

Slappy vs Pavlik would have been a big fight.

[stefjonno1]

If he had beaten Pavlik all the haters would have just said he beat an overated bum. So he cant win either way. Atleast this way he earned some good cash.