Steroid use in boxing...

[Bad Boy Dazza]

Probably been discussed to death in the past, but I'm new here, sooo.....

What are your thoughts on it? How many big pro's do you think use or have used?

[KostyaTszyu44]

i know mosely did for sure

toney did (although he claimed it was for an injury)

vargas i think

i doubt many could do it without being caught, i think all those who have done it have been exposed

[Underdog82]

If a boxer comes in significantly more ripped than normal its su****ious. Like when Shane Mosely fought De la hoya you could see those rib muscles on his side popping out. That isn't normal.


I think most boxers are pretty clean though but if anyone tests positive they should get a permanent ban imo. It makes a big difference and is blatant cheating.

Toney was a steroid abuser, that nonsense about him using steroids for a "muscle recovery problem" is bull****. He abused steroids so much it messed with his Thyroid gland and hormones. Thats why he is on the verge of being obese. Its a known issue for lots of people who use steroids.

[Bad Boy Dazza]

Thanks for the feedback guys :-)

What about Holyfield? Trained by a professional bodybuilder, then the "Evan Fields" fiasco....

[Silencers]

I think Kellerman said this, 7 out of 10 boxers use some kind of performance enhancing drug, doesn't matter which kind, some of them are really hard to detect and some states don't do the required tests to detect certain performance enhancing drugs so I wouldn't be surprised if what Kellerman said was true.

[ACHlLLES]

This forum used to accuse Cotto and Ricky Hatton of doing it. I personally don't think Cotto has, but who knows. And wasn't holyfield in some steroid type scandal?

[Benny Leonard]

If a boxer comes in significantly more ripped than normal its su****ious. Like when Shane Mosely fought De la hoya you could see those rib muscles on his side popping out. That isn't normal.


I think most boxers are pretty clean though but if anyone tests positive they should get a permanent ban imo. It makes a big difference and is blatant cheating.

Toney was a steroid abuser, that nonsense about him using steroids for a "muscle recovery problem" is bull****. He abused steroids so much it messed with his Thyroid gland and hormones. Thats why he is on the verge of being obese. Its a known issue for lots of people who use steroids.

Su****ious, yes, but it doesn't mean its steroids. Some fighters can clean up their diet and get ripped. Too much pasta actually makes you pudgy; at least in my case. Once I lower the intake or just get rid of it; I get lean like a God
And sometimes it is just a matter of balancing out diet and doing proper cardio.

******* I heard was the big thing with boxers to lose weight fast and get ripped but don't quote me on that. Of course there are other things you can take like Ephedrine {the pharmacy grade}, Clenbuetrol, and other amphetamines that help you lean out. And of course there is HGH and Insulin and Steroids.

James Toney: His first failed test was after he was injured, wasn't it???

If so, judging by the steroid he took nandrolone that is one of the best steroids to help you recover from injury. He is also either ignorant on the topic of steroids or thought he wouldn't have been tested because that steroid lasts in your system a long time.

And, from what I read, you only need to do a steroid cycle once to possibly throw off your system. There are many articles about this where people take one cycle and they either throw off the equilibrium of their bodies or permanently damage something. It all depends on your system, which steroids you are taking, and how much that increases the risk.

[Benny Leonard]

This forum used to accuse Cotto and Ricky Hatton of doing it. I personally don't think Cotto has, but who knows. And wasn't holyfield in some steroid type scandal?

Didn't Cotto basically rip Shane Mosley for doing it and said he didn't need such things.

Hatton: he got leaner and stronger when Kerry Kayes joined his team. Steroids, I don't know, but Ricky probably never had that type of training with his body so that could be the simple change and had nothing to do with steroids.

Holyfield: It was rumored he took steroids, especially HGH as far back as his first move to HW. In Holyfield's book, he said Tyson was so surprised to see the drastic increase of muscle from when the fight was signed to the time they weighed-in that Tyson demanded Holyfield to get an independent steroid test...which Evander claims he past since there was nothing made about it after. He also suggests that the reason why Tyson was mad was because Tyson wanted to be the only one using steroids for the advantage. I guess this goes back to Holyfield's point that he heard from someone that Tyson used steroids. The fight was in Vegas so both were tested for steroids and other drugs.

What puzzled me a bit about what Holyfield said was that if I were Mike, who Evander is accusing of being on steroids, why wouldn't I know that you can not only take certain steroids but you can take them and have them cleared out of your system by fight time? It sounds like Mike was either ignorant on the subject or was hoping Evander was.

I also note from personal experience from what I have seen, heard, or read, that druggies and steroid people tend to suggest “everybody is doing it” to justify their own doing. Or better yet, I once heard a great quote from James Toback, he said: When I was on drugs I thought everybody was and when I was not, I thought everybody was not. I always thought this in Tommy Morrison's case. The same goes for many people that aren't on steroids and need a reason why they aren't genetically gifted as some others. They need that excuse that it's because they aren't on steroids but the others who are better are. Sad World.

[Chr0nic]

Didn't Cotto basically rip Shane Mosley for doing it and said he didn't need such things.

Hatton: he got leaner and stronger when Kerry Kayes joined his team. Steroids, I don't know, but Ricky probably never had that type of training with his body so that could be the simple change and had nothing to do with steroids.

Holyfield: It was rumored he took steroids, especially HGH as far back as his first move to HW. In Holyfield's book, he said Tyson was so surprised to see the drastic increase of muscle from when the fight was signed to the time they weighed-in that Tyson demanded Holyfield to get an independent steroid test...which Evander claims he past since there was nothing made about it after. He also suggests that the reason why Tyson was mad was because Tyson wanted to be the only one using steroids for the advantage. I guess this goes back to Holyfield's point that he heard from someone that Tyson used steroids. The fight was in Vegas so both were tested for steroids and other drugs.

What puzzled me a bit about what Holyfield said was that if I were Mike, who Evander is accusing of being on steroids, why wouldn't I know that you can not only take certain steroids but you can take them and have them cleared out of your system by fight time? It sounds like Mike was either ignorant on the subject or was hoping Evander was.

I also note from personal experience from what I have seen, heard, or read, that druggies and steroid people tend to suggest “everybody is doing it” to justify their own doing. Or better yet, I once heard a great quote from James Toback, he said: When I was on drugs I thought everybody was and when I was not, I thought everybody was not. I always thought this in Tommy Morrison's case. The same goes for many people that aren't on steroids and need a reason why they aren't genetically gifted as some others. They need that excuse that it's because they aren't on steroids roids but the others who are better are.

so your saying there was a good chance cotto also did steroids?

[Benny Leonard]

I think Kellerman said this, 7 out of 10 boxers use some kind of performance enhancing drug, doesn't matter which kind, some of them are really hard to detect and some states don't do the required tests to detect certain performance enhancing drugs so I wouldn't be surprised if what Kellerman said was true.

Performance enhancing drugs is a very broad field that mixes legal and illegal supplements.

I think he suggested HGH use with Heavyweights during a broadcast. Modern HWs exploded up in weight as seen with Jameel McCline and his alleged connection to HGH and steroids. The guy is 6'6 and like 270 pounds. Could it be "natural," maybe, but I doubted it for a long time and the allegations against him that came out reinforced it.
I think there are only so many Primo Carnera's out there in the World. HGH and Steroids let you catch up to the "Alpha-Males" of the World.

Steroids can also be used for lower-weight athletes as well since not all put weight on you.