Mayweather FANS ONLY thread..!!! How does pbf get respect??? (NO FLAMERS WANTED)!!!

[FasTHarD]

After Manny beat Hatton... Mayweathers resume will be remembered as a big JOKE<<<<<

[nujabes77]

if you say you are the best at welterweight, you have to prove it by fighting the top welterweights to get respect. simple as that. and dont give me the overuse size excuse. margarito and williams are bigger but THEY ARE WW.if you dont fight the topwelterweights and call yourself the best and then retire, how do you suppose critics or fight fans respond

[Joeyzagz]

If Margarito does not fight the top MIDDLEWEIGHTS and he is a failure.

[aether]

Because we're not all gullible.

Because, unlike Mr. Ray Robinson, he isn't 125-1 by age 30, and he hasn't had 202 fights in a career that has spanned from lightweight to light heavyweight?

He is 39-0 against some good opponents, some less than good ones, and some who are pretty much garbage.

Seems rather pathetic when you put it like this.

would love to see how floyd-tards react to this

[Horus]

Floyd Mayweather isn't just undefeated. 'Money' wasn't just the best pound for pound fighter in the sport. Floyd Mayweather Jr. was the self-proclaimed "creme de la creme", best boxer in the history of the sport. He played the villian because, quite obviously, people were throwing money at him to watch him lose. My roommate doesn't watch boxing, caught a 24/7 with Floyd, and now will watch every fight he can to see the guy eat it.

That choice, though, was Floyd's. He made the decision to boost his bank account by flipping the script and taking on the 'bad guy' persona. It's quite obvious he's very confident and intentionally puts his ego on display in a dramatized way because it sells. Ali did the same thing, but was a little more slick in his insults and overall verbal skills and so wasn't quite as hated for it.

So, Floyd's lack of respect comes mainly from people who- admit it or not- are plainly rubbed the wrong way by Floyd's antics. See, Pacquiao is pound for pound right now and no one wants to take his crown from him if he doesn't fight Margarito, Williams, Berto or other threats at welterweight (or 140, really). Mainly, I believe, because he doesn't talk much outside the ring, is respectful, and generally seems to try and please his fans and do his best.

Floyd, on the other hand, is a slick boxer- a style that isn't knock-out oriented, which already puts him behind in some eyes- and proclaims himself as the best. It's not so much, to me, that Floyd's overall resume is so lacking he's losing respect. It's more that Floyd has chosen to run his mouth so much he has to fight every perceived threat or come off very phony.

If Floyd came back and became a "nice guy" - went undefeated while fighting some good names, if not all challangers, for the next few years- I bet he'd get that respect. If he's says he's clearly the best ever and disrespects others, though, people won't be satisfied until he's utterly cleared out all challengers at welterweight - possibly even a few of the smaller guys at 140 or 154. That's the drawback of his persona. He has to "put his 'Money' where his mouth is'.

Great Logic and Rational Response:

I wrote a similar thread on the line of this response.
Basically saying that



I have said this before:

Is MAYWEATHER'S Aura of invincibility too High

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200876

It's like THIS,you got Floyd who has risen to the status of running the whole sport of boxing. He has been knocking out and beating all the previous fighters to challenge him. And Now he runs the sport. He is now been sitting fat, and making WAY TOO MUCH money, and really talking **** to anybody who would listen. He has set his aura of invincibility So High that People now want to see him beat at all cost and in effect they have given Floyd status that even some legendary fighters never gotten.

Floyd has become what he always wanted to be.
A Legend while still capable of being active and young

So that Makes you wonder Is MAYWEATHER'S Aura of invincibility too High...?


Also I wrote That "Floyd is more Notorious rather than popular."

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171894

Floyd Mayweather is the most "Notorious" fighter in the game... He is without a doubt the most “Famous”
His "Fame" is second to only Oscar among Active Fighters
He is the most "Revered" boxer in the game... Floyd will never be the most Popular (loved) fighter right now because he has chosen to take the bad guy road... it doesnt meaned he isnt popular but he is more Notorious right now rather than Popular
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History


As of right now I don’t think WHAT Floyd is doing is a bad thing....
Some of the most "Famous and successful" people history has ever known
Have been more "Notorious" than Popular... or Have been "Notorious" before they became "Popular"

Al Capone
2pac
Biggie
Ali
Malcolm X
Kobe Bryant
Terrell Owens
Charles Barkley
Scarface (Tony Montana)
The list goes on....
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My Point

Floyd notoriety and fame is what sell's the fight's not his popularity ....
Floyd being "Notorious".... sells the fight
People just don’t come to see Floyd lose just like they just didn’t come to see Ali lose...
People come because they are interested in Floyd.
He is a "hot rod" for debate as we see in the millions of threads, articles, stories, and interviews we see made about him....
If you think Floyd wasn’t half the reason for the first de la hoya P.P.V numbers then your crazy...
If you think Floyd wasn’t Majority of the reason for the Hatton fight then you’re crazy...

Floyd's widespread reputation of being "Notoriously" a great fighter and an Arrogant Person is what makes Floyd the most famous fighter in the game...
HBO, WWE, Rock Star understands this that's why they give him so much money...
The whole Boxing world Understands this that's why he is the most "Famously Celebrated" fighter in the sport.....
Oscar is the most Popular Fighter in the Sport
Floyd is the most "Notorious".... and "Celebrated"
Floyd like it or not, Is the 2nd Biggest Draw in the sport not because he is popular.....It is because he is "Notorious"....

Thats why I think Floyd is a victim of his own success, He is the face on this generation, and I think wont be fully respected until he loses or wins in dramatic fashion or until he is long gone....

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

The haters/detractors fail to realize that there is no singular best at WW or JWW! Its irrational to expect a 30 yr/old fighter to fight that many bouts to prove he is the best! The hate should be aimed at those who feel they should get these shots without cleaning out their divisions in order to garner the opportunity and generate the revenue for a PBF shot. The best should only fight the best! The consensus best in the sport is PBF! There is no consensus of who is next in line. And to say he is ducking a fighter who has yet to prove his greatness is extremely ignorant and deserves no reply. Save your thesis for worthy and valid arguments, but to waste them on hate and ignorance is .... ignorant!

[Pullcounter]

if you say you are the best at welterweight, you have to prove it by fighting the top welterweights to get respect. simple as that. and dont give me the overuse size excuse. margarito and williams are bigger but THEY ARE WW.if you dont fight the topwelterweights and call yourself the best and then retire, how do you suppose critics or fight fans respond

well you can say the same thing for pac at 135.

[Vasyl’s dad]

In light of all the recent Mayweather ducked Margarito threads, i figured i post this to clear a few things up.

In the summer of 2006, Antonio Margarito confronted Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas at a press conference and asked the self-proclaimed best fighter in history about a fight together and why Floyd was ducking and dodging Bob Arum’s hefty offers to box him. Floyd, face quivering, said the fight didn’t make business sense at the time and that in the future he would fight Margarito, “You get your shot, you get your shot,” promised Mayweather. Sitting in a chair looking up at Margarito, Floyd reached out to hold Margarito’s hand, as if the handshake on top of his word bound the promise as a deal. Mano a Mano, Floyd was promising Margarito a future fight. (See www.youtube.com “Margarito confronts Mayweather.”)

But now we know it was a lie and Floyd is a liar. HBO is said to be very interested in making Mayweather vs. Margarito for 2008 or early 2009 but a source fairly close to Mayweather has said, on the record, Floyd vs. Margarito “will never happen. Never.”

Of course, it comes as no surprise to many boxing followers who are keen on Mayweather’s perpetual ducking and dodging of tough fights despite his contradictory and misleading public statements. Case in point, see how Mayweather vilified Margarito in the media…

“I don’t know who (Margarito) is.”

“Margarito would be easy work. If Bob shows me the money, I’ll fight anybody anywhere. If it makes dollars it makes sense.”

“(Margarito is) levels below me. I’ll punish him for being on the level he is. I’ll punish him for disrespecting my team.”

“Bob Arum is the greatest promoter in history. I love Bob Arum. I love HBO.”

“My team calls all the shots out of the ring, I call them in the ring.”

“Maybe I can fight Margarito next - if I pick his name out of the hat.”

“Who has Margarito beaten to deserve a shot at me? Once he beat two or three big names then we’ll fight.”

“Me and Margarito, we’re not fighting to prove to the boxing fans who the best is.”

“I don’t duck or dodge anybody.”

“But you got to realize this: I’m an A level, I’m an A level opponent, Oscar De La Hoya’s an A level, Floyd Mayweather’s an A level, I mean Margarito is a, he got D level fighters. He had Bob Arum, he got D level fighters. You know without, be honest, without Floyd Mayweather or Oscar De La Hoya, I mean, what is Top Rank, honestly?”

“I mean, the fight with Henry Bruseles - somebody had to give him a chance. You know, everybody gives, I mean, how will we ever know how good a person is till you give them a chance? Somebody had to give him that chance. So I gave him that chance.”

“Who is Margarito? He don’t bring **** to the table.”

“Like I said before, I grabbed boxing fans and asked who is this guy (Margarito) and they didn’t even know who he was.”

“Like I said before I beat Margarito’s ass any day of the week. If this is the fight the fans want to see so be it. Margarito don’t dictate what I do. Don’t no one know who Margarito is.”

“I have more respect for Genaro Hernandez than anybody. Because that was the start of everything. He gave me a chance. I have more respect for Genaro Hernandez than any fighter. Anybody that gives me a chance I have respect for.”

“Margarito - he’s an average fighter. Why would I be scared of him?”

“You know me I’m running my mouth a lot and I’m looking for a guy to shut me up. If you don’t shut me up I’m going to keep running my mouth. Nobody can beat me, there is no way to beat me.”

“I know when someone is tailor-made for me, that I will punish.”

“I want to beat the best out there and whoever is considered the top fighters of my era.”

“I don’t really want to talk about this guy (Margarito). Because I see things that Bob Arum does that don’t make any sense. He says I’m the best fighter in the business, I’m the best fighter since Muhammad Ali. But then he’s talking about me ducking and dodging a fighter. He kicks me out of his boxing gym, then he wants me to fight his fighter (Margarito). How can you talk about doing future business with me if you’re conducting yourself with disorderly conduct?”

“It’s a smart business decision to not fight you now but we will down the road.” (Floyd said this to Margarito’s face while holding his hand, after Margarito confronted him at the Mayorga-De La Hoya press conference in May.)

(Judah’s) already beaten. He’s beat mentally. I just have to do the physical part. I beat every fighter mentally before I beat him physically. There is no on stronger than me mentally.”

“I’m not in the game for just the money, I’m in the game to be a legend. And give the fans and media all around the world exciting fights.”

“(To the media after defeating Carlos Baldomir in Nov.) I love the sport. One more fight and I’m through. I don’t need boxing. I’m not in it for the money. It’s about legacy. I’m rich and I’ve accomplished what I want.”

“They talk about Floyd Mayweather duckin’ and dodgin’ opponents. Listen. I’m trying to fight the number one guy. If the number one guy can’t fight, then I’m fightin’ the number two guy. If I can’t fight number two, I’m fighting number three.”

“I just dish out ass whoopin’s.”

“From 154 on down I tear everyone’s ass up.”

“I don’t know who Paul Williams is. But I hear he’s a pretty good young fighter.”

Leonard Ellerbe: “Margarito has four losses, why should we fight a guy with four losses?” (A few months later Mayweather signed to fight 35-year-old Carlos Baldomir, who had NINE losses.)

So after all those denigrating words about Margarito, now we learn that Floyd will not keep his word and will “never” fight Margarito.

For well over two years it’s been suspected by a few that Mayweather was scared and frightened of Antonio Margarito. But the Floyd-loyalists refused to accept it, No man who steps in those ropes is afraid. Floyd just be waiting for it to be a big money fight. Etc.

Well, it’s a fact now. Even Roger Mayweather can’t hide or deny the truth any longer. Floyd is flat-out scared, 100% fearful of the knockout beating he will endure at the hands of Margarito. Those boxing skills are guided by a man without the heart or the courage to test those skills against a relentless ferocious brute force like Antonio Margarito. Margarito is so fearsome, Mayweather will not fight him, it’s non-negotiable. No price is high enough, nothing in the world is going to persuade Floyd to make the fight boxing fans, the media and HBO want to see most of all.

And that will be the legacy of Mayweather, a talented boxer, a multiple title-holder who ducked and dodged and feared to face the most formidable challenges of his career.

As for the inevitable comeback of Mayweather against another handpicked safe opponent, any TV network would be foolishly mistaken to pay this manufactured fraud anything close to what he demands. Negotiations should be simple, Floyd you take what we offer you. You have no leverage after so openly avoiding Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito. Your market value has severely depreciated.

There just is no public demand to see Floyd face anyone now but Margarito, the man he once vilified in the media. Oscar vs. Floyd is just a set-up exhibition between two men who fear Margarito. What would Oscar vs. Floyd II be billed as? How about “The Battle of the Chickens.”

Personally, I think Mayweather and his ducking ways should be banned from boxing. His lousy fights against handpicked opposition give boxing a bad name and if permitted to continue could do even more irreparable damage. MMA is too entertaining an option now for boxing fans to give their time and hard-earned dollars to. At this important time in boxing history, Boxing must give the fans real, competitive intriguing fights. And garbage fights like Oscar vs. Floyd II should not even be considered let alone offered to the public as first-class, five-star sporting entertainment.

If Mayweather can’t find the courage or motivation to face the greatest challenge of his career, let him stay in hiding I mean retirement.




This is the man you want to call the best of his generation and one of the best of all time?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOSYzIKJFro

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=ZBAFUJR9

[goblin]

Floyd mayweather can build a time machine go up to heavey weight beat ali, robinson, foreman, and a prime tyson and come back and show the video footage to everyone and haters will still say "u still avoided frazier"....i mean think about it..manny blows up between 10 to 15lbs to fight smaller past prime fighters coming off losses and he gets praised..floyd is a 5"8 midget who goes up in weight and wins championships and gets hated...

[Flawless.]

Mayweather has to beat Dawson to get credit imo