Floyd Patterson vs Mike Tyson

[Mr. Ryan]

The very air that Mike Tyson breathes will KTFO Floyd Patterson on his ass in the first round, 1 nano second would probably be enough time.

Old time fighters are vastly overrated.

You mention Floyd Patterson, but you don't mention the man who twice KO'ed him in the first round, Sonny Liston?

Floyd Patterson is one of my all-time favorite fighters, he was like a heavyweight Julian Letterlough, only with skill. His vulnerabilities made him exciting, if inconsistent.

There would be no way he'd be able to last with Tyson, not because he's an "old time fighter" but because he was a very small heavyweight (about 185 pounds) and chinny with questionable mental integrity.

There are some older fighters who would have beaten Tyson, like Ali and Larry Holmes in their primes.

[Benny Leonard]

The book was primarily by research journalists. So they didn't directly go to Patterson, but Patterson's friends, family, trainers, aquaintences and a little from Floyd.

Vaugely, according to Patterson it was from the pressure and letting people down. Boxing business in general.

A tough business, boxing is.

Yes it is

I would say this: My family doesn't even know me exactly; always go with the Person's own words first.

Too many people have written books that were inaccurate...and then made worse by other authors copying from another author.


I've once read a paper on 10 psychologists who gave 10 different opinions on one person because they were from 10 different psychology theory programs.

I remember hearing that many didn't want Floyd to take the fight with Liston...even the President supposedly. But, Floyd being who he was took the fight because it was the right thing to do.

So when he lost, maybe that pressure caught up because he let down those people.
He probably should have been more of an ass and had a bigger ego; that may have helped.

Possibility?


I think in this business, maybe even the world; you either have to be a full time asswhole or at least most of the time asswhole to keep living and deal with the pressure...maybe.

[Benny Leonard]

You mention Floyd Patterson, but you don't mention the man who twice KO'ed him in the first round, Sonny Liston?

Floyd Patterson is one of my all-time favorite fighters, he was like a heavyweight Julian Letterlough, only with skill. His vulnerabilities made him exciting, if inconsistent.

There would be no way he'd be able to last with Tyson, not because he's an "old time fighter" but because he was a very small heavyweight (about 185 pounds) and chinny with questionable mental integrity.

There are some older fighters who would have beaten Tyson, like Ali and Larry Holmes in their primes.

Floyd was actually a blown up middle. He packed on the weight right after the Olympics.

[Mr. Ryan]

Floyd was actually a blown up middle. He packed on the weight right after the Olympics.

That is true. Upon turning pro, there was pressure to immediately throw him in with Ray Robinson.

[Davros?]

Floyd was actually a blown up middle. He packed on the weight right after the Olympics.

Floyds Early pro fights were around middleweight but he would never have been able to stay at that weight, he could have made Light Heavy though.
Patterson had mental problem through out his early life its not his fault, he couldn’t even talk when he was at school because he was afraid of what people would think, he didnt like to be around people so he would go and find somewhere to hide, that doesn’t mean he is soft. he took up boxing because he found it to be an outlet for him it made him feel better. An interesting fact the first time Floyd ever sparred he was knocked out.

[Squabbles94806]

Yes it is

I would say this: My family doesn't even know me exactly; always go with the Person's own words first.

Too many people have written books that were inaccurate...and then made worse by other authors copying from another author.


I've once read a paper on 10 psychologists who gave 10 different opinions on one person because they were from 10 different psychology theory programs.

I remember hearing that many didn't want Floyd to take the fight with Liston...even the President supposedly. But, Floyd being who he was took the fight because it was the right thing to do.

So when he lost, maybe that pressure caught up because he let down those people.
He probably should have been more of an ass and had a bigger ego; that may have helped.

Possibility?


I think in this business, maybe even the world; you either have to be a full time asswhole or at least most of the time asswhole to keep living and deal with the pressure...maybe.

Yes. I agree. Being an *******, but giving and getting respect is a good thing to achieve. At least for a fighter. Ya know?

Every fighter cries. I'm not knockin him for that. I know for a fact DLH cried that night he fought Pacquiao.

I read Tyson's psychological profile on the net somehow. It stated that he did have mental issues with attributed to his violent tendancies.

What was Patterson's nickname?

[Mr. Ryan]

He fought almost crouched. No argument that he had fast hands, but he didn't have that killer intuition. Ya know, the type that Sugar Robinson had?

I used to favor Patterson. I read "King of the World" by David Remnick and it would get into how soft Patterson was. Floyd was always catergorized as a sensitive individual. When he lost to Liston he broke down. Patterson used to isolate himself away from people and sob. He would start crying from the pressures and all that other stuff that comes along with boxing. According to researchers that was a part of his character because he brought it over from his adolesence.

It's not that i hate the guy as a fighter. I just don't like soft and weak.

Patterson had a serious killer instinct in the rematch with Ingemar Johannsen, he nearly took his head off with that final left hook. Patterson said he was worried that he had inadvertently killed Ingo when he saw his leg twitching sickly.

I've read Remnick's book, which I feel is one of the best tributes to the sport literature has ever produced. The profiling of Patterson is mostly based off Patterson's autobiography, "Victory Over Myself". If you haven't read that, do it.

Patterson admitted to, I believe it was the New Yorker, that he was a coward and weak-minded. People may look at that as something detestable (of course, since fans are faultless), but I admire him for his honesty.

In a sport of liars and people calling each other's bluffs, Patterson's honesty and transparency is refreshing. I identify with a lot of his candor and for that he is one of my heroes, in and out of the ring.

[Davros?]

Yes. I agree. Being an *******, but giving and getting respect is a good thing to achieve. At least for a fighter. Ya know?

Every fighter cries. I'm not knockin him for that. I know for a fact DLH cried that night he fought Pacquiao.

I read Tyson's psychological profile on the net somehow. It stated that he did have mental issues with attributed to his violent tendancies.

What was Patterson's nickname?

Ali called him the rabbit but for most of his career people just called him Floyd as far as i know.

[Squabbles94806]

Patterson had a serious killer instinct in the rematch with Ingemar Johannsen, he nearly took his head off with that final left hook. Patterson said he was worried that he had inadvertently killed Ingo when he saw his leg twitching sickly.

I've read Remnick's book, which I feel is one of the best tributes to the sport literature has ever produced. The profiling of Patterson is mostly based off Patterson's autobiography, "Victory Over Myself". If you haven't read that, do it.

Patterson admitted to, I believe it was the New Yorker, that he was a coward and weak-minded. People may look at that as something detestable (of course, since fans are faultless), but I admire him for his honesty.

In a sport of liars and people calling each other's bluffs, Patterson's honesty and transparency is refreshing. I identify with a lot of his candor and for that he is one of my heroes, in and out of the ring.

Perhaps that's why Patterson was stepped on. He was a nice guy.

Ingemar Johannsen? I'll check that out.

"Victory over myself"....roger that.

Yes. Remnick is a pretty good writer.

[Davros?]

Patterson had a serious killer instinct in the rematch with Ingemar Johannsen, he nearly took his head off with that final left hook. Patterson said he was worried that he had inadvertently killed Ingo when he saw his leg twitching sickly.

Yeah Patterson worried about everything, a lot of my family have aspergers and that cause almost permanent worrying and your honest about everything so i wouldn’t have been surprised if Floyd had something like that, Its horrible it eats you up inside so that in the end you cant do anything.