Duran is not a top ten ATG

[wpink1]

are you saying leonard, hearns, hagler, and benitez shouldn't get credit for beating duran.




are you aware that diego corrales was the IBF champ at 130 and that before the floyd fight the IBF stripped him, so you say floyd never unified he didn't need to when you have the #1 and #2 facing each other, the same scenario you just put forth with ken buchanan..what a hypocrite you are.

and the question I have for you is how come duran never unified 135 from the time he beat buchanan in 1972 up until 1978 his last fight at 135. you like to ask this question of floyd so hopefully you can answer why duran gets a pass on not unifying the division for over 6 years he was at lightweight.




was duran a 50% champion at 135 for 6 years. was he a 25% champion the night he beat duran, what about the night he beat moore was he a 25% champion then as well.

you sound ****** duran has never been recognized as the man of any weight class other than 135. floyd has been recognized as the best fighter in each weight class he campagined in, and would not be favored to loose against anyone in any division he fought in, can duran say the same.




you left out genaro hernandez at 130, jose luis castillo at 135, and oscar de la hoya at 154.

was davey moore the ring/lineal champ at 154, what about barkely at 160 was he recognized as the real champ or just a belt holder.




please list these other title holders that duran so-called chased. besides getting his ass beat against every top fighter of his era who did he really chase. after getting koed by hearns he didn't fight for a title again in over 6 years. can you explain that...who was he chasing from age 32-38 besides the pat lawlors and robbie sims of the world.

I mean the guy only fought in 22 championship fights and that's out of 119 fights. you are really clueless about what you are saying.

you say duran could have held onto his trap and had a glossy championship record, the fact remains he didn't and after getting koed by hearns he doesn't fight for a title again in over 6 years.

the fact that you try and put down floyd for holding onto his title's and defending them is laughable when duran did the same thing at 135




once again for all of boxingscene to see:

Ernesto Marcel: 5-0-1 in championship fights 10.8% of his fights were for championships. 4-0 in title defenses..finsihed career 40-4-2. Notable win Alexins Arguello
Genaro Hernandez: 13-2 in championship fights, which means 36.5% of his fights were championship fights. 11 successful title defenses..finished career 38-2-1..Notable win Azumah Nelson

do you still think marcel was the better fighter.



ken buchanan: 3-2 in championship fights, 3-1 in title defenses..which translates to a 7.2% championship fight ratio. champion for 2 years 1970-1972. notable wins: none, after to losing to duran in 1972 never went on to win another title at the weight retired in 1982.

Esteban de jesus: 4-4 in championship fights, 3-1 in title defenses.. which translates to a 12.9% championship fight ratio. champion for 1 year 1976-1977, never regained the title. notable wins: roberto Duran

Jose Luis Castillo: 6-3-1 in championship fights, 5-3 in title defenses.. which translates to a 15% championship fight ratio. 2 time champion first run was champ for 2 years..second run was 1 year. notable wins: diego corrales, joel casamayor, stevie johnston

Diego Corrales: 7-2 in championship fights, 4-1 in title defenses, which translates to a 20% championship fight ratio. 2 divison champion (130, 135) unified the WBC and WBO lightweight title became ring/lineal champion by defeating jose luis castillo. reigned as lightweight champion for 2 years and jr.lightweight champ for 2 years. notable wins: jose luis castillo, joel casamyor

you were saying who had better comp at the lower weights again.



good victory for duran but it was a fluke in the rematch the better fighter won. and eventhough duran spent 2 years at 147 he was only able to win the title once and never defended it.

floyd at least defended his title in his fourth weight class. can duran say the same.




160 was duran's fourth weight class, 160 would be floyd's 6th weight class you do the math. by the way did duran ever win a title at 168, or 175 his 5th and 6th weight classes.




a patently false statement used by duran groupies. at the age of 32 duran was washed up..it took him 6 years to fight for a title again. duran wasn't chaing anything during that time period but a hamburger joint and some broads. he wasted good prime years of his career fighting bums and getting beat by them.

duran had over 16 fights at 160 and fought at that weight for 7 years but was only able to win one title and never defended it.

he was never recognized as the best fighter in the world throughout his career like floyd has been recognized.

floyd dominated multiple weight classes jumping from 147 to 154 without a tuineup to take on the legendary oscar de la hoya for the WBC 154 title, something duran never did or could do in his career.

Man your killing...I am laughing my ass off. Your factuallly , well mostly factually destroying them. Way to go!

I do have to correct you on a couple of things.

1. Mayweather has avoided the best fighters at welter and Jr middle. Now I dont hold jr middle againt him as he only went up there to fight DLH.

2. Dlh was not the best 154 out there. Winky was. He and mayweather had a fight signed but Mayweather backed up, the stated reason is he wanted 60% of the purse and winky refused to give give him that percentage.


I wonder why you have not dropped the bomb on them with this fact.
Roy jones beat more champs (23) 18 where world champs, than Duran had championship fights, and Roy only had 57 or so fights. So who had more quality fights. Duran padded his record with bums, and cupcakes, while roy dominated 3 divisions and moved up 40 pounds to win a title at the heavyweight division, something not done in 100 years. He not only won, but brouugtthe fight to ruiz, who outweighted him by 20-30 pounds. Ruiz is everybit the fighter Barkly was pound per pound. Both not very good, but champs.

Keep on killing them! We do need to demand more of Mayweather though, he IMO has not earned a top 10 pound per pound because he left a lot on the table, and his welter resume is very weak. He really needs to fight pacman and margo, fights he could win and retire looking great. I dont like mayweather but I would give him his props if he did.

[wpink1]

why did it take him 6 years to unify 135, and why did he never defend the unified title.



diego corrales, jose luis castillo are atg and were in their prime. so please try harder you're making this too easy



why did you leave out james toney, and bernard hopkins from roy jones list...I smell a rat.

are you trying to compare duran's comp to roy jones..that is funny. are you aware that roy defeated jorge castro first while castro was in his prime, and that duran lost to castro first. talk about a glaring f.u.c.k up

are you also aware that duran fought a shot pipno cuevas. are you also aware james toney knocked barkely out cold, and this same james toney lost to roy jones jr. I mean this is a mad house.

were you actually defending duran by posting this

Dammmmmmmm man your rolling ....... they are getting destroyed on here.

[Mr Man]

Get a ****ing room, you impudent little whelps.

[Brandish]

Brandish...man I am with you about Duran being overrated. I believe Roy was better pound per pound. Leoanrd IMO should be rated above Duran based on almost everything except Duran had 70 fights at lightweight and leonard only had 40 total. Head to Head, Leoanrd beats duran 95 times out of 100. But. I can not echo the Mayweather sentiments.

you shouldn't take floyd's worst fight and say that duran would beat him . the floyd that fought gatti, and corrales, and so many others would brutalize duran. the castillo fight is a poor gauge of floyd's abilities in the ring. the second fight proved that.

He is truly a great technical fighter, he would pose Duran some problems, but offensivley IMO he would not be able to keep Duran off of him.

floyd has been able to keep much bigger fighters then duran off him. but in terms or in ring adjustments and smarts duran never had a plan b, floyd would be operating on way too many levels mentally in the ring for duran. come on wink you should know this. floyd is going to go down as one the smartest fighters in history. you don't get to 39-0 with his resume by not adapting and making adjustments in the fight. duran wasn't very good at this.

My earlier statment where based on Mayweather fighting less caliber opponents. I ask others to be non biased, thus I checked myself and watched again as nonbiased as possible mayweather vs Castillo, and that Mayweather does not have the offensive power, combination boxing etc..to beat Duran. Now duran would have issues with Mayweather no doubt, but Mayweather did not use his mobility vs Castillo like Leonard did vs Duran. Castillo was able to trap Mayweather time and time again along the ropes, and do good body work, etc. Castillo is not as fast as duran, nor has the defense that duran has, nor hits as hard as the hands of stone. He may have the same chin. The one thing that might work in Castillo's favor is I believe he has longer reach. But all in all, Duran IMO would beat Mayweather at 135, 147.

diego corrales, jose catilo, genaro hernandez, zab judah, oscar de la hoya,are not inferior to duran. some of them matchup quite well histroically with duran. anytime has had to step up and face a fellow p4p or ring champ he has demolished them.

[Brandish]

I do have to correct you on a couple of things.

1. Mayweather has avoided the best fighters at welter and Jr middle. Now I dont hold jr middle againt him as he only went up there to fight DLH.

2. Dlh was not the best 154 out there. Winky was. He and mayweather had a fight signed but Mayweather backed up, the stated reason is he wanted 60% of the purse and winky refused to give give him that percentage.

if floyd were to clean out his fourth weight class then he would be ranked up there with robinson and srmstrong. ray and henry never cleaned out their fourth weight clas to my knowledge but I could be wrong.

and by the time floyd moved to 147 wink was no longer at 154. I mean floyd was at 140 willing to go up and fight winky at 154. the fact that money killed that fight is no mark on floyd he started at 130 I only know of one men he started lower and dhought higher and that was henry armstrong. in the modrn era no fighter who started at 130 has been able to win the 147 title, and be recognized as the best of that division.

my thing is if floyd has surpassed duran in terms of actual accomplishments I have to rank him top ten. now if he wants a top 5 spot he can go for the 147 fighters or go to 160 and win the wbc title there. another milestone.

[TheGreatA]

floyd did in 9 years what it took duran 20 to accomplish. and when you talk about rather forgettable what did duran do that was better then what roy did after the age of 29.

don't worry I'll wait

Roy Jones:

Wins over John Ruiz (HW), Antonio Tarver, Reggie Johnson, JC Gonzales

Roberto Duran:

Wins over Iran Barkley (MW), Davey Moore, Pipino Cuevas, Jorge Castro

why did you leave out james toney, and bernard hopkins from roy jones list...I smell a rat.

are you trying to compare duran's comp to roy jones..that is funny. are you aware that roy defeated jorge castro first while castro was in his prime, and that duran lost to castro first. talk about a glaring f.u.c.k up

are you also aware that duran fought a shot pipno cuevas. are you also aware james toney knocked barkely out cold, and this same james toney lost to roy jones jr. I mean this is a mad house.

were you actually defending duran by posting this

You asked me what did Duran and Roy Jones do after the age of 29 and I gave you an answer.

Jorge Castro gave a prime Roy Jones a good fight and went the distance. Castro's first win over 47 year old Roberto Duran is recognized as a hometown decision which is why there was a rematch which Duran won.

James Toney beat a washed up, weight-drained and near blind Barkley by a TKO. He never came close to knocking Barkley "out cold" but it was a dominant performance.

Toney was also a super middleweight in his prime while Duran had seen his best days at lightweight and welterweight 10 years prior to the Barkley bout (which is recognized as one of the greatest fights of all times).

I was objective enough to leave out that Tarver actually knocked Roy Jones out and won a decision over him in their two fights after Roy Jones won the first one (and there was a lot of controversy about that win).

[TheGreatA]

why did it take him 6 years to unify 135, and why did he never defend the unified title.

I'll tell you why.

Ismael Laguna had been the unified WBC&WBA champion but had been stripped off of the WBC title for no reason before facing Ken Buchanan. Buchanan won that bout and later defended his WBA title against Duran in a fight he lost.

Duran was the true linear champion but the WBC belt was in the hands of Guts Ishimatsu, a boxer who had been dominated by Duran and who you have called a bum.

Ishimatsu went on to lose his title to Esteban DeJesus and the unification for the two world titles was made. Duran won the fight in his best ever performance and certified himself as the greatest lightweight of all time (in most people's opinion).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/1374044.stm

Duran did against Leonard what Mayweather never accomplished, he defeated an all time great in his prime.
diego corrales, jose luis castillo are atg and were in their prime. so please try harder you're making this too easy

Corrales and Castillo are all time greats? Not by my, or the majority's standards. It's doubtful that they'll even make it to the hall of fame, maybe Castillo.

Make a poll about it and see how it turns out.

[TheGreatA]

Dammmmmmmm man your rolling ....... they are getting destroyed on here.

I would have thought that you knew better than that. His response showed his lack of knowledge and bias.

[El Dominicano]

OK leme jump on this.

Duran-Mayweather = Same Size

Duran's best wins
Esteban, Ken Buchanan, Carlos Palomino, Iran Barkley and SRL. At 135...I'd give Pernell the best chance at beating Duran...Duran in my opinion would be too strong for Mayweather and PLUS Duran was slick on the inside.

For Floyd to be compared to Duran...Floyd would have to beat Pac, Margarito and then Pavlik...is he capable YES

Question is will he do it

[El Dominicano]

Nevermind...I was wrong

Iran Barkley >>>> Pavlik
SRL >>>> Pacman

Even if Floyd accomplished what I just said...he still wouldn't compare to Duran. Now respect Duran!