Margarito Vs. Calzaghe Vs. Tarver: the science of Beat Punching

[bsrizpac]

Margarito doesn't vary his rythm as much, and throws a higher percentage of his punches hard than do Tarver or Calzaghe.

I agree. But this thread wasn't about that.

I was saying they all do this.

I was making it a point that my intention was not to debate who does it more often, or uses it most of the time etc or not.

Just that I've seen them all do this at some time or the other.

[bsrizpac]

My teeth are fine, why dont you post some more yank redneck peoples teeth again?

You are pathetic piece of ****.

10-1 you are fat poor, have ****ed up teeth, jerk off to british fighters and hate America because of your jealousy. **** off this thread *****.

[The Gambler1981]

They can be included in this, although from observation most fighters tend to feint at the beginning of combinations not in the middle.

However it is taught that way you are correct.

I noted in the thread that this was an overly simplified analysis that would just give some people who might not know some idea of what's going on during the punching exchanges.

I mean given your example I could write a 30 page paper on just the feints alone, because there are different kinds of feints.

Shoulder feints, footwork feints, head feints, lead feints, rear feints, etc.

The combinations are infinite, but your thinking is exactly right. That's what I hoped this thread would do, kind of open up your kind of thinking to everyone.

Yea I agree that fighters normally feint at the beginning but I feel feints in the middle of the combinations can really pay off. Setting up doing a normal combination rythm and then just changing it ever so slightly can be devestating.

[bsrizpac]

Yea I agree that fighters normally feint at the beginning but I feel feints in the middle of the combinations can really pay off. Setting up doing a normal combination rythm and then just changing it ever so slightly can be devestating.

You can substitute the feint for the pause in the combo. But again if it's too long or exaggerated it can ruin the flow of the combo.

[_Hunter_]

you are pathetic piece of ****.

10-1 you are fat poor, have ****ed up teeth, jerk off to british fighters and hate america because of your jealousy. **** off this thread *****.

wrong again son.

[bsrizpac]

wrong again son.

Awfully defensive. Fatso.

[The Gambler1981]

You can substitute the feint for the pause in the combo. But again if it's too long or exaggerated it can ruin the flow of the combo.

That is why I personally prefer the idea of a feint but a pause can work also. Once you esatblish a rythm and someone expects what is comming next, then something different happeans, it can work wonders. It is not an easy thing to do in a real fight though, it takes someone with real class to do it.

[_Hunter_]

Awfully defensive. Fatso.

im guessing that you are fat. hows the mcdonalds?

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

It's certainly an interesting idea.

The most obvious example I can think of was when Calzaghe did this to Kessler.

Kessler was hanging in there with Calzaghe until Joe stopped throwing a punch in the middle of his combination. This caused Kessler to spot an "opening" he could exploit, only he couldn't, because calzaghe had already hit him and moved again by the time he'd even thrown the punch.

This can be highly effective when done well, and is often more effective than a feint I think, as the opponent spots a countering oppurtunity that isn't there. This causes them to lower their guard and instead block the punches with their face.

A good analysis of a lesser known, yet highly effective tactic.

[bsrizpac]

That is why I personally prefer the idea of a feint but a pause can work also. Once you esatblish a rythm and someone expects what is comming next, then something different happeans, it can work wonders. It is not an easy thing to do in a real fight though, it takes someone with real class to do it.

The best fighters can remember their training under pressure. That's what separates great fighters and athletes from regular people. That mentality.