Mayweather vs. Pac = James Toney Vs Vassiliy Jirov

[JOM'S]

Floyd hasn't fought up to his ability in a few years...so, I don't see it happening.

It's why I said if Floyd isn't there Mentally, isn't motivated and willing to give it his all like he did when he was younger where he took more risks, against Pac, I could see the fight slip away from him and being out-pointed like say, Hopkins vs. Taylor I

Floyd has to fight from round one and be active; he needs to go back to the old way of fighting.

Can he do it? Not sure on all the reasons why he changed. Age, weight, hand-problems, back problems, Mental change...all of the above...???

He retired, so...


If I were Floyd, and this is the same for Pac, I would go out and land the first shot with incredible force. Although, it might not be wise given Floyd's hands. It would be messed up if he broke his hand on the fist punch...crazy.

I do wonder if Floyd danced around and made Pac miss like Leonard did to Duran if Pac could handle it mentally. But of course; can Floyd still do that?
I would say he should try it.

I kinda agree with you, but I COULD see floyd using all his abilities against someone like PAC or at the least try to and IMHO a fight between them would be look like something in between OR a cross between duran-leonard 1&2, floyd dancing, pac bouncing and then time their attacks for good exchanges...

[Benny Leonard]

I'm only a "Part-time boxing fan" and not an expert like others though I sort of base my thinking of an outcome by virtue of sense more than just what people say or think would be the obvious outcome. I wasn't wrong in my prediction of the De La Hoya fight and it wasn't because I'm a supporter of the Pacman. I saw and sensed something before that fight and I was right. I'm not saying Mayweather is a "shot" fighter, I'm saying that the Pacman will defeat him through his unstoppable and ferocious style of fighting. I firmly believe that Mayweather will not be able to overcome the Pacman. I just don't see it happening but I guess anything can happen right? JAT

Have you ever had a sense that Manny was going to lose and if so, which fights?

And yes, anything can happen; it's a great sport to watch. So much goes into the fight.

[Benny Leonard]

I kinda agree with you, but I COULD see floyd using all his abilities against someone like PAC or at the least try to and IMHO a fight between them would be look like something in between OR a cross between duran-leonard 1&2, floyd dancing, pac bouncing and then time their attacks for good exchanges...

If the fight does happen it will be interesting to see which Floyd shows up.

Floyd has become way to passive for me. He can turn it on when he wants, but what is it that is holding him back now....that's why I listed some of the reasons for his possible retirementg: Mental and Physical decline.

I just think he needs to be active from the start to win...but, if he picks his shots carefully, like he did Hatton, and then opens up later, I guess he could pull it off, but, I wouldn't favor it as much.

He's been keeping fights to close.

[JOM'S]

If the fight does happen it will be interesting to see which Floyd shows up.

Floyd has become way to passive for me. He can turn it on when he wants, but what is it that is holding him back now....that's why I listed some of the reasons for his possible retirementg: Mental and Physical decline.

I just think he needs to be active from the start to win...but, if he picks his shots carefully, like he did Hatton, and then opens up later, I guess he could pull it off, but, I wouldn't favor it as much.

He's been keeping fights to close.

i think this will happen, great fighters from the past who retired dont keep retired, specially if there is an itch that need scratching....

now imho PAC is an itch the Floyd has to scratch be it at 140 or 147...

only thing PAC has to fight Hatton first, to make PAC-PBF even more a Bigger Event than if they will outright fight now...

[El Jesus]

I'm only a "Part-time boxing fan" and not an expert like others though I sort of base my thinking of an outcome by virtue of sense more than just what people say or think would be the obvious outcome. I wasn't wrong in my prediction of the De La Hoya fight and it wasn't because I'm a supporter of the Pacman. I saw and sensed something before that fight and I was right. I'm not saying Mayweather is a "shot" fighter, I'm saying that the Pacman will defeat him through his unstoppable and ferocious style of fighting. I firmly believe that Mayweather will not be able to overcome the Pacman. I just don't see it happening but I guess anything can happen right? JAT

One thing you are discounting, mayweather adjusts, midfight if he has to. Whatever you are doing, he adapts to it, and it does it usually after 4 rounds, also, mayweathers defense gives him all kinds of options to counter, with mayweather, you have no choice but to come at him and try to knock him out of his shell, the problem is when you do, you are either going to get a counter uppercut, or a counter left hook. Mayweathers power to guys like pac who are coming up are a factor. Mayweather also doesnt get down on himself mentally, the guy adjusts, especially if hes losing a fight, hell give it all he has.

Mayweather has fought a whole lot of credible champions IN THEIR PRIME, it takes more than ferocity to beat a guy like that, you need a legit gameplan, because overwhelming him with pressure just doesnt seem to work, oddly enough i remember him saying this "pressure has been the gameplan against me since 89"

[El Jesus]

If the fight does happen it will be interesting to see which Floyd shows up.

Floyd has become way to passive for me. He can turn it on when he wants, but what is it that is holding him back now....that's why I listed some of the reasons for his possible retirementg: Mental and Physical decline.

I just think he needs to be active from the start to win...but, if he picks his shots carefully, like he did Hatton, and then opens up later, I guess he could pull it off, but, I wouldn't favor it as much.

He's been keeping fights to close.

because you have to make him do it it in alot of ways. Think about the hatton fight, as soon as he adjust and saw what hatton had to offer, it was curtains. Against a hittable target, mayweather has never dissapointed. Especially when the opponent wasnt 3 weight classes above him A hittable guy like pac has to produce results because if he doesnt he knows hed lose.

[Steelhammer2K9]

****ty comparison

Toney is a true warrior that takes risks

Floyd is a runner that rarely takes risks


Pacman would KO Gayweather for sure

[JOM'S]

One thing you are discounting, mayweather adjusts, midfight if he has to. Whatever you are doing, he adapts to it, and it does it usually after 4 rounds, also, mayweathers defense gives him all kinds of options to counter, with mayweather, you have no choice but to come at him and try to knock him out of his shell, the problem is when you do, you are either going to get a counter uppercut, or a counter left hook. Mayweathers power to guys like pac who are coming up are a factor. Mayweather also doesnt get down on himself mentally, the guy adjusts, especially if hes losing a fight, hell give it all he has.

Mayweather has fought a whole lot of credible champions IN THEIR PRIME, it takes more than ferocity to beat a guy like that, you need a legit gameplan, because overwhelming him with pressure just doesnt seem to work, oddly enough i remember him saying this "pressure has been the gameplan against me since 89"

I agree with most of your post PBF defense A+, Adaptability A+ (has backup plan B-C), this is the PBF advantages that PAC has to overcome...

BUT enlighten me here, when did Mayweather really have to adjust in a loosing fight???

[El Jesus]

I agree with most of your post PBF defense A+, Adaptability A+ (has backup plan B-C), this is the PBF advantages that PAC has to overcome...

BUT enlighten me here, when did Mayweather really have to adjust in a loosing fight???

Zab, Castillo I (weather you thought he lost or won, he didint just back down and call it a day). those are the few fights i can think of where he had an issue, as well as agustus and jesus chavez.

People swear up and down that mayweather hasnt experienced the idea that if you just go crazy, throw 10,000 punches and overwhelm him, you win, its not that simple when you are receiving accurate counters to the face and they hurt. I know alot of pac fans here dont know mayweather that well at all, but like i have discussed with benny leonard, mayweather counters are extremely accurate and he seems to ALWAYS be at his best when an opponent comes at him. However, i agree with leonards assessment sadly that mayweather isnt really the fighter he once was, however if he has to dig deep and unload, he will, especially on a hittable target.

[MWMerlino]

mayweather isnt as active as toney but he won't get tired and may be forced to engage more with a fast and sharp puncher like paq.