Being undefeated in boxing means very little.

[MELLY-MEL...]

it is great, but overrated. so many atg's have had losses.

[S.G.]

Calzaghe's record is completely respectable, whether americans have heard of the names or not.

[Pullcounter]

The first thing that pops out to me is Joe Calzaghe. You can tell just by the way he acts that he has this arrogance about him because he carries an undefeated record. That is fine and all but to everyone else that means very little. Fighters can pad their way to an impressive mark but an unblemished record does not mean you are going to get paid ungodly amounts. Look at all the greats, they all lost and will always be remembered as great boxers.Boxing is all about the risks you take, not if you can go your whole career undefeated. Thats why it pains me to hear the Brits and Joe go crazy that we don't like him because he isnt American. Look at Pac he has losses on his record but is widely respected. It all boils down to who you fight, not if you have never tasted defeat.

i respect what joe's done at 168, but being unable to KTFO a shot fighter like RJJ, and barely getting past Hopkins while getting knocked down in both fights doesn't make him an ATG... HOFer sure, but not ATG.

to bad he wasted his career

[Grimmer]

I cannot believe people are still ****ing on about the same old ****. There are 10,000 threads identical to this one, they all go the same way (nowhere), and all of it is completely pointless. Why? because the people who have made their minds up about Calzaghe will NOT change their opinions of him because of a thread like this, and the ones who hate him will never change their opinions when a Calzaghe fan fires back to counter their arguments.

Why are you doing this?

Why are you wasting your lives?

What are you actually trying to achieve?

Do you honestly believe you are going to change anyone's opinions?


Ask yourself these questions. All I can think is you must have very empty lives.

Idiocy is blind mate. Morons don't employ common sense. I sit back and let them have their rants, it's quite funny.

[mrlopez]

It only means very little if you are fighting stiffs and bums, If you are fighting great opposition and putting it on em, and a champion taking on all comers/not ducking anyone, then you are a god to some!

[mrlopez]

I cannot believe people are still ****ing on about the same old ****. There are 10,000 threads identical to this one, they all go the same way (nowhere), and all of it is completely pointless. Why? because the people who have made their minds up about Calzaghe will NOT change their opinions of him because of a thread like this, and the ones who hate him will never change their opinions when a Calzaghe fan fires back to counter their arguments.

Why are you doing this?

Why are you wasting your lives?

What are you actually trying to achieve?

Do you honestly believe you are going to change anyone's opinions?


Ask yourself these questions. All I can think is you must have very empty lives.

If he's wasting his life by putting a thread in a boxing forum regarding his opinion on boxing, then what the **** are you doing replying?????

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i respect what joe's done at 168, but being unable to KTFO a shot fighter like RJJ, and barely getting past Hopkins while getting knocked down in both fights doesn't make him an ATG... HOFer sure, but not ATG.

to bad he wasted his career

You are completely entitled to your opinion, but you chose to ignore a lot of details.

Hopkins: Agreed to fight Calzaghe in 2002, shortly after he defeated Trinidad. At the last minute, he backed out of the deal in which he'd accepted the offer of 3 million bucks. Reason: he decided he wanted 6 million bucks instead. Hopkins then took a fight with Morade Hakkar instead for less money.

You most likely blame Joe for not fighting Hopkins until he was old.

Fact: Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for at least 6 years, possibly longer. I know this, and anyone who has watched older fights of Joe's and seen post-fight interviews will confirm that he was screaming out for a fight with Bernard. I can remember what Joe said (not word for word, but close): "My ultimate fight is Hopkins. Hopkins is the man. I'd fight him in his own back garden." I believe that was around 2001 or early 2002.

Again, you blame Joe for not fighting Hopkins. You could argue "well, Joe Calzaghe was a nobody", but this, again, would be ignoring the fact that Joe had been a world champion for at least 5 years by this point. Why shouldn't he fight Joe? Why fight Morade Hakkar instead? Is that honestly a better name to have on your resume, or is it simply an easier challenge? I would say it's the latter. Back in 2001, Joe had good power, being the only man to knock Eubank on his ass with one of the first punches he threw in the fight. Nigel Benn, AKA The Dark Destroyer, a man known for possessing crazy punching power, couldn't knock Eubank down in two whole fights. Joe did it within seconds.

Roy Jones: I might get flamed for this, but Frank Warren went on record to say Jones never wanted no part of Joe Calzaghe, he always priced himself out after being made several offers. This wouldn't surprise me, as Jones apparently refused to fight Dariusz Michalzewski (sp) for less than 25 million. An insane amount of money, I think you'll agree. This completely ruled out a fight with Dariusz because that figure is just completely unrealistic. It wouldn't surprise me if Warren's claims, as seen in this video documentary, were completely true, and Joe Calzaghe never stood a chance of fighting Jones no matter what. Nobody is going to pay that much to fight Roy. What bugs me is Roy took a fight with Clinton Woods, a far worse name than Calzaghe, and people say Joe didn't deserve a shot. Woods was a complete nobody at the time even in the UK, and now, just as he was then, was seen as a very average fighter. A nice safe fight for Roy. No risk at all, just another way for Roy to show off and look great against a nobody.

Again, Joe gets the blame for not fighting Jones. People ignore the poilitics of boxing and only see what they want to see. I firmly believe Joe would have flown to the USA back then if he was offered a fight. Simple fact is, he couldn't afford to do it, and Warren would never put up the kind of money he was asking for.

I could go on. I have studied Calzaghe's career since 1997 when I first started watching him, and in my eyes he would have been a competitive fight against Jones at ANY time in his career. Styles make fights, and back then Joe had a ton of power in those hands. Eubank, a guy who went two fights with Benn (one of the hardest hitters in the sport) said Calzaghe hit him harder than anyone he'd ever faced. Joe also threw just as many shots back then as he does now, and his stamina was just as good, too.

Calzaghe was always a threat to Jones. That's why Jones wanted nothing to do with him. Jones knew this. Flame me all you want. You will never change my opinion.



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If he's wasting his life by putting a thread in a boxing forum regarding his opinion on boxing, then what the **** are you doing replying?????

I get sick of hearing the same old garbage. You guys know nothing about Joe Calzaghe, your hatred is born of ignorance.



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[bsrizpac]

You are completely entitled to your opinion, but you chose to ignore a lot of details.

Hopkins: Agreed to fight Calzaghe in 2002, shortly after he defeated Trinidad. At the last minute, he backed out of the deal in which he'd accepted the offer of 3 million bucks. Reason: he decided he wanted 6 million bucks instead. Hopkins then took a fight with Morade Hakkar instead for less money.

You most likely blame Joe for not fighting Hopkins until he was old.

Fact: Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for at least 6 years, possibly longer. I know this, and anyone who has watched older fights of Joe's and seen post-fight interviews will confirm that he was screaming out for a fight with Bernard. I can remember what Joe said (not word for word, but close): "My ultimate fight is Hopkins. Hopkins is the man. I'd fight him in his own back garden." I believe that was around 2001 or early 2002.

Again, you blame Joe for not fighting Hopkins. You could argue "well, Joe Calzaghe was a nobody", but this, again, would be ignoring the fact that Joe had been a world champion for at least 5 years by this point. Why shouldn't he fight Joe? Why fight Morade Hakkar instead? Is that honestly a better name to have on your resume, or is it simply an easier challenge? I would say it's the latter. Back in 2001, Joe had good power, being the only man to knock Eubank on his ass with one of the first punches he threw in the fight. Nigel Benn, AKA The Dark Destroyer, a man known for possessing crazy punching power, couldn't knock Eubank down in two whole fights. Joe did it within seconds.

Roy Jones: I might get flamed for this, but Frank Warren went on record to say Jones never wanted no part of Joe Calzaghe, he always priced himself out after being made several offers. This wouldn't surprise me, as Jones apparently refused to fight Dariusz Michalzewski (sp) for less than 25 million. An insane amount of money, I think you'll agree. This completely ruled out a fight with Dariusz because that figure is just completely unrealistic. It wouldn't surprise me if Warren's claims, as seen in this video documentary, were completely true, and Joe Calzaghe never stood a chance of fighting Jones no matter what. Nobody is going to pay that much to fight Roy. What bugs me is Roy took a fight with Clinton Woods, a far worse name than Calzaghe, and people say Joe didn't deserve a shot. Woods was a complete nobody at the time even in the UK, and now, just as he was then, was seen as a very average fighter. A nice safe fight for Roy. No risk at all, just another way for Roy to show off and look great against a nobody.

Again, Joe gets the blame for not fighting Jones. People ignore the poilitics of boxing and only see what they want to see. I firmly believe Joe would have flown to the USA back then if he was offered a fight. Simple fact is, he couldn't afford to do it, and Warren would never put up the kind of money he was asking for.

I could go on. I have studied Calzaghe's career since 1997 when I first started watching him, and in my eyes he would have been a competitive fight against Jones at ANY time in his career. Styles make fights, and back then Joe had a ton of power in those hands. Eubank, a guy who went two fights with Benn (one of the hardest hitters in the sport) said Calzaghe hit him harder than anyone he'd ever faced. Joe also threw just as many shots back then as he does now, and his stamina was just as good, too.

Calzaghe was always a threat to Jones. That's why Jones wanted nothing to do with him. Jones knew this. Flame me all you want. You will never change my opinion.

No one needs to flame. Your opinion is just blind nuthuggery. It's cute that you are so in love with a boxer though.

Glad to see you retracted the lie about Jones having a contract with HBO not mention Darisuz though. So that's a start. Maybe one day the nugget about the Don King "slave contract" with Hopkins after the Tito fight will sink in. And the laughable idea that Jones was sitting around scared of Calzaghe, a guy who was taking on "all comers" like Shot Eubank, David Starie, Tocker Pudwill, Byron Mitchell, the mighty Jeff Lacy etc.

Yes, I'm sure prime Roy was quaking in his boots. Running from big bad Calzaghe who refused to fight in the US until magically he saw a landcape littered with old people.

The sad part is that you actually believe that the shot Roy that Joe beat gives any indication of what would happen in their primes, well that and of course your blind obsession with Joe is probably stopping any objective thought process.

Styles makes fights. I like that one. That one is used by better trolls a lot, kind like "box off the back foot" another classic.

[Pullcounter]

You are completely entitled to your opinion, but you chose to ignore a lot of details.

Hopkins: Agreed to fight Calzaghe in 2002, shortly after he defeated Trinidad. At the last minute, he backed out of the deal in which he'd accepted the offer of 3 million bucks. Reason: he decided he wanted 6 million bucks instead. Hopkins then took a fight with Morade Hakkar instead for less money.

You most likely blame Joe for not fighting Hopkins until he was old.

Fact: Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for at least 6 years, possibly longer. I know this, and anyone who has watched older fights of Joe's and seen post-fight interviews will confirm that he was screaming out for a fight with Bernard. I can remember what Joe said (not word for word, but close): "My ultimate fight is Hopkins. Hopkins is the man. I'd fight him in his own back garden." I believe that was around 2001 or early 2002.

Again, you blame Joe for not fighting Hopkins. You could argue "well, Joe Calzaghe was a nobody", but this, again, would be ignoring the fact that Joe had been a world champion for at least 5 years by this point. Why shouldn't he fight Joe? Why fight Morade Hakkar instead? Is that honestly a better name to have on your resume, or is it simply an easier challenge? I would say it's the latter. Back in 2001, Joe had good power, being the only man to knock Eubank on his ass with one of the first punches he threw in the fight. Nigel Benn, AKA The Dark Destroyer, a man known for possessing crazy punching power, couldn't knock Eubank down in two whole fights. Joe did it within seconds.

Roy Jones: I might get flamed for this, but Frank Warren went on record to say Jones never wanted no part of Joe Calzaghe, he always priced himself out after being made several offers. This wouldn't surprise me, as Jones apparently refused to fight Dariusz Michalzewski (sp) for less than 25 million. An insane amount of money, I think you'll agree. This completely ruled out a fight with Dariusz because that figure is just completely unrealistic. It wouldn't surprise me if Warren's claims, as seen in this video documentary, were completely true, and Joe Calzaghe never stood a chance of fighting Jones no matter what. Nobody is going to pay that much to fight Roy. What bugs me is Roy took a fight with Clinton Woods, a far worse name than Calzaghe, and people say Joe didn't deserve a shot. Woods was a complete nobody at the time even in the UK, and now, just as he was then, was seen as a very average fighter. A nice safe fight for Roy. No risk at all, just another way for Roy to show off and look great against a nobody.

Again, Joe gets the blame for not fighting Jones. People ignore the poilitics of boxing and only see what they want to see. I firmly believe Joe would have flown to the USA back then if he was offered a fight. Simple fact is, he couldn't afford to do it, and Warren would never put up the kind of money he was asking for.

I could go on. I have studied Calzaghe's career since 1997 when I first started watching him, and in my eyes he would have been a competitive fight against Jones at ANY time in his career. Styles make fights, and back then Joe had a ton of power in those hands. Eubank, a guy who went two fights with Benn (one of the hardest hitters in the sport) said Calzaghe hit him harder than anyone he'd ever faced. Joe also threw just as many shots back then as he does now, and his stamina was just as good, too.

Calzaghe was always a threat to Jones. That's why Jones wanted nothing to do with him. Jones knew this. Flame me all you want. You will never change my opinion.

the impetus was on joe to make fights w/ rjj and hopkins not the other way around.