Being undefeated in boxing means very little.

[larryx]

You must be reading my mind. I don't know much about joe and his earlier career, but I know as of the last 5 or more years he has not fought anyone besides lacy, whom had even a remote chance of beating him. calzaghe is tripping off of the numbesr for hius last fight, but that's because no one wants to see him fight the former best. We want to see him figth the best.. he and kelly pavlik were undefeated at the same time , yet he chose to fight roy jones instead, that's some bull****... he and dawson are undefeated now and dawson has been fighting teh best out there, he virtually hasn't anyone to fight why not fight dawson right now and shut all of us haters up!!! Jones dropped him, Hopkins dropped him, dawson will knock him out... I bet my boxingscene account on it...

you would win that bet...thats why he's retiring..hes got 2 options dawson or a hopkins rematch..and he wants no part of either

[Allucard]

The first thing that pops out to me is Joe Calzaghe. You can tell just by the way he acts that he has this arrogance about him because he carries an undefeated record. That is fine and all but to everyone else that means very little. Fighters can pad their way to an impressive mark but an unblemished record does not mean you are going to get paid ungodly amounts. Look at all the greats, they all lost and will always be remembered as great boxers.Boxing is all about the risks you take, not if you can go your whole career undefeated. Thats why it pains me to hear the Brits and Joe go crazy that we don't like him because he isnt American. Look at Pac he has losses on his record but is widely respected. It all boils down to who you fight, not if you have never tasted defeat.

Not when you're 14.

[BetterCallSaul]

6 Losses > Pulling out of fights, fighting bums, shot opponents

Yeah Hopkins was a bum, agree with you there.

[Allucard]

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you would win that bet...thats why he's retiring..hes got 2 options dawson or a hopkins rematch..and he wants no part of either

In all honesty i give the guy credit for: Having good footwork and super work rate for his weight division, although it's very hard to judge because even the trained eye can be fooled by opposition. Example: Oscar vs Forbes and vs Pacquiao. Oscar began moving back up to 147 vs Forbes and he looked not worse than he did vs Pacman, only Pacman is a much better boxer. Joe Calzaghe looked awesome vs Kessler of all his fights but Kessler hasn't moved away from Denmark yet and if you read between the lines you may ask, heck if all the money is overseas why are we keeping our best fighter here where we will build no fortune and no fame?
The 10 year bum-fighting defending his tittle? No so great. Taking 10 years to move up 7 pounds and fight 2 40 year olds for no tittle whatsoever? Not so great

[Joe's left hook]

I always rated Chris Eubank highly, but the racists will say he is rubbish of course.

[The_Visitation]

.. he and kelly pavlik were undefeated at the same time , yet he chose to fight roy jones instead, that's some bull****...

Home truths time. One, Calzaghe is a British fighter, and while all British fans knew who RJJ was few had even heard of Pavlik. In counting PPV figures Americans tend to forget some very important ones... those in the UK. Two, Calzaghe would have disposed of Pavlik just as B-Hop did. Pavlik is not a LHW, end of.

he and dawson are undefeated now and dawson has been fighting teh best out there, he virtually hasn't anyone to fight why not fight dawson right now and shut all of us haters up!!! Jones dropped him, Hopkins dropped him, dawson will knock him out... I bet my boxingscene account on it...

Dawson was "fighting the best out there?" Like who? That's just more revisionist crap. He had a tight win against Johnson in April (when Calzaghe was fighting B-Hop) but his only other win of real note was Tarver long after the Calzaghe/Jones fight had been announced . Sorry, I don't see the "the best out there"? B-Hop? Or maybe Pavlik? If you think Calzaghe should have fought him, why not Dawson rather than a shot 'old man' Tarver?

As to "fighting Dawson now", he may well do, if he doesn't retire. Which he probably will. Why on earth do you think he would give a **** about 'shutting up' a bunch of haters? Not that it would, just like Lacy, just like Kessler, a defeated Chad Dawson would become 'overrated and over-hyped' overnight and the next-big-thing (who nobody had heard of a week before) will be wheeled out. THAT's why Calzaghe fought B-Hop and why he fought Jones.

[Benny Leonard]

It should also be noted when you fought your Opponent. How many losses did he have? How many wars was he in prior. How many times has he been knocked down and knocked out. Who did he fight that could take away mileage on his boxing career. How old he was; not just in birth numbers, but boxing numbers.

Bottom line: The opponent in front of you, even though he had a "NAME" was it really that same fighter?

Was he to young; was he in his prime; just past his prime; way past his prime; or SHOT?

It's more than just a name.

[hammerhiem]

If your talking about Dawson I agree, his undeafeated record doesn't mean anything since he's fought 2 never was very good 40 year olds (Ok Tarver was good 5 years ago) and a weight drained CW who's beaten nobody.

And you wonder why the Calzaghe Nuthuggers laugh at you when you start saying Dawson is the man to beat Calzaghe?

[S A M U R A I]

I cannot believe people are still ****ing on about the same old ****. There are 10,000 threads identical to this one, they all go the same way (nowhere), and all of it is completely pointless. Why? because the people who have made their minds up about Calzaghe will NOT change their opinions of him because of a thread like this, and the ones who hate him will never change their opinions when a Calzaghe fan fires back to counter their arguments.

Why are you doing this?

Why are you wasting your lives?

What are you actually trying to achieve?

Do you honestly believe you are going to change anyone's opinions?


Ask yourself these questions. All I can think is you must have very empty lives.



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[S A M U R A I]

By the way, I think being undefeated is a pretty good thing. For one, you can never say "this fighter would beat that fighter" because you honestly never know how far their talent extends. It could be that no one could ever defeat them.

With Joe Calzaghe, it's this simple: if you can't knock him down and keep him down, you simply won't win. He has one of the best chins in boxing and his will power is absolutely immense. Don't ever seriously say "Chad Dawson would beat Calzaghe". The chance is that you couldn't be more wrong.



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