Froch near his peak already

[hookoutofhell]

So far 24 fighters and trainers.. have all told their fighter to "EXPOSE" his "FLAWS"

This is what I mean by.. too subtle.. Everyone knows Froch keeps his left low and is easy to counter with an over the jab right hand.. Froch Knows it too.. See my point.. if he knows it.. isn't it possible that he is not worried about getting hit.. and as you land more often and grow in confidence he just sets you up..????

I have seen the last 12 fights of Froch's career live on TV.. and watched most of the rest recorded..

every fight looks the same and ends the same...The guy is just awkward and so it fools people into thinking he is crap..
I assure you he is not..

Now as for Kessler.. I have always said.. Kessler is the ONE guy Froch should probably avoid.. because YES.. Froch's biggest weakness is Good STRAIGHT punchers..However I doubt it would be a cakewalk and it's entirely possible That Froch could win it..
Froch has been calling out Kess since he beat Henry Porras and did it faster and more brutally than Kessler did.. so at least we know Froch doesn't fear Kess..

Taylor??? give me a break.. he has all the skills needed.. but doesn't know how to use them.. and I predict he would get stopped by the 8th round..
Like Zab Judah.. Taylor is just too easy to discourage

i know exactly what you mean, i understand where you are coming from that the flaws in carl's game are so obvious and yet he continues to win, he entices his opponents into thinking they have a shot on, that they can tag him in the end they move in and end up setting themselves up for a punch.

but with all due respect to his previous opponents he is now stepping up his fight game and his level of opposition, a quick look through his resume and onnly robin reid is noticeable and even then it was a past his prime, over the hill robin reid with alot of wear and tear. if he thinks he can get away with what he has done before against top level fighters then he is mistaken.

i agree with you that kess is froch's kryptonite, he is a straight puncher with good power and not a half bad chin. froch however is still dangerous in this fight he can still hurt kess to the body and i believe if they do fight he will score a KD or hurt kess sometime in the fight. but im gonna bank on kess's speed and counterpunching skills to see him through.

as for taylor i think you slightly under rate him, i dont think hed do good against froch, froch is too awakward for him but if taylor is hungry and motivated then you never know.

[dstew]

So far 24 fighters and trainers.. have all told their fighter to "EXPOSE" his "FLAWS"

This is what I mean by.. too subtle.. Everyone knows Froch keeps his left low and is easy to counter with an over the jab right hand.. Froch Knows it too.. See my point.. if he knows it.. isn't it possible that he is not worried about getting hit.. and as you land more often and grow in confidence he just sets you up..????

I have seen the last 12 fights of Froch's career live on TV.. and watched most of the rest recorded..

every fight looks the same and ends the same...The guy is just awkward and so it fools people into thinking he is crap..
I assure you he is not..

Now as for Kessler.. I have always said.. Kessler is the ONE guy Froch should probably avoid.. because YES.. Froch's biggest weakness is Good STRAIGHT punchers..However I doubt it would be a cakewalk and it's entirely possible That Froch could win it..
Froch has been calling out Kess since he beat Henry Porras and did it faster and more brutally than Kessler did.. so at least we know Froch doesn't fear Kess..

Taylor??? give me a break.. he has all the skills needed.. but doesn't know how to use them.. and I predict he would get stopped by the 8th round..
Like Zab Judah.. Taylor is just too easy to discourage

This is priceless... you are basically admitting that the guy looks like a crap fighter... but put forth a conspiracy theory that he is doing it on purpose!

If he was that confident in his abilities, and smart enough to plot in such a way... WHY WOULDN'T HE JUST KEEP HIS HANDS UP AND USE HIS ABILITIES IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T RISK HIS CHIN? WHY DOESN'T HE LEARN HOW TO MOVE HIS FEET WITHOUT GETTING TURNED AND OFF BALANCE? For a guy who relies on having his feet set to deliver his power, that would seem like something he'd want to develop.

But here you are, so vested in this guy for such a long time now, that you are having to come up with reasons he still has glaring flaws after all these fights in which he should have been developing his craft. And your reason? Because he's setting a trap! OOOOOH!!!

Isn't it far more likely that the truth is staring you in the face? That he just hasn't developed some of the basic boxing skills that would improve his game the easy way, instead of doing things the hard way?

As for Taylor being easy to discourage... Taylor has shown stamina issues late in fights, yes... but gotten discouraged in the ring? Hardly. Not even against Hopkins, who will frustrate anybody, or Pavlik, who stopped him for the first time in his career. And I certainly cannot see it against Froch, who of everyone Taylor has faced reminds me the most of Jeff Lacy.

[Welter_Skelter]

This is priceless... you are basically admitting that the guy looks like a crap fighter... but put forth a conspiracy theory that he is doing it on purpose!

If he was that confident in his abilities, and smart enough to plot in such a way... WHY WOULDN'T HE JUST KEEP HIS HANDS UP AND USE HIS ABILITIES IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T RISK HIS CHIN? WHY DOESN'T HE LEARN HOW TO MOVE HIS FEET WITHOUT GETTING TURNED AND OFF BALANCE? For a guy who relies on having his feet set to deliver his power, that would seem like something he'd want to develop.

But here you are, so vested in this guy for such a long time now, that you are having to come up with reasons he still has glaring flaws after all these fights in which he should have been developing his craft. And your reason? Because he's setting a trap! OOOOOH!!!

Isn't it far more likely that the truth is staring you in the face? That he just hasn't developed some of the basic boxing skills that would improve his game the easy way, instead of doing things the hard way?

As for Taylor being easy to discourage... Taylor has shown stamina issues late in fights, yes... but gotten discouraged in the ring? Hardly. Not even against Hopkins, who will frustrate anybody, or Pavlik, who stopped him for the first time in his career. And I certainly cannot see it against Froch, who of everyone Taylor has faced reminds me the most of Jeff Lacy.

Wow! that is some creative interpretation of my post..

-I didn't anywhere admit that Froch looks crap..I said he is awkward and to the armchair boxing fan he might be perceived as crap .. I then went on to explain how he compenstates for his relative hand speed with trickiness..
And that he is in FACT .. not crap..

-I said he knows what his Flaws are.. and doesn't care that he is going to get hit by right hand counters all night long... His over all strategy seems to be to lull his opponent into a false sense of security.. PROVE ME WRONG.. it is no "conspiracy" ..It is simply a strategy based a fighter's Skill set and Weaknesses

-Why does his unorthodox style bother you so much??? If he wants to keep his hands low why should you care?? Lots of fighters who fight textbook, get their asses kicked on a regular basis.. They guy is a bit different in his approach.. He is not the 1st..and wont be the last.. Looking good and being good are NOT the same thing..

- In essence, what I am saying is.. it's not me who needs to face the truth.. I am well aware of exactly what Froch brings.. It is you who can't seem to accept that an awkward fighter is able to win with his non textbook style..

- Did I say the guy was unbeatable? Did I say he is the GOAT?? NO.. so fuck off with your conspiracy theories and putting words into my mouth so you can make some half assed argument.. because it bothers you that I appreciate Froch's style and you don't..

-As for Taylor.. Spinks and Ouma are great examples of how easily Taylor can be discouraged... Kelly Pavlik is the best example of how easy it is to discourage Taylor.. and How easy it to beat him even when he is on his game.. Eevn on his game Taylor just does not have Boxing smarts.. He is athletic and skilled.. But he is not a Fighter.. All of his big wins come with controversy and many people saying he lost them.. His tile reign was uninspiring and he lost it to a very limited but smart fighter.. His only good performance was a loss.. to the same limited but smart fighter..

[Peder]

I would pick Bute, Taylor and Kessler, to outbox him. Andrade vs. Froch would be great, I'd like to see how he would do against that monster, who IMO can't be beaten without excellent footwork and a good jab.

[dstew]

Wow! that is some creative interpretation of my post..

-I didn't anywhere admit that Froch looks crap..I said he is awkward and to the armchair boxing fan he might be perceived as crap .. I then went on to explain how he compenstates for his relative hand speed with trickiness..
And that he is in FACT .. not crap..

-I said he knows what his Flaws are.. and doesn't care that he is going to get hit by right hand counters all night long... His over all strategy seems to be to lull his opponent into a false sense of security.. PROVE ME WRONG.. it is no "conspiracy" ..It is simply a strategy based a fighter's Skill set and Weaknesses

-Why does his unorthodox style bother you so much??? If he wants to keep his hands low why should you care?? Lots of fighters who fight textbook, get their asses kicked on a regular basis.. They guy is a bit different in his approach.. He is not the 1st..and wont be the last.. Looking good and being good are NOT the same thing..

- In essence, what I am saying is.. it's not me who needs to face the truth.. I am well aware of exactly what Froch brings.. It is you who can't seem to accept that an awkward fighter is able to win with his non textbook style..

- Did I say the guy was unbeatable? Did I say he is the GOAT?? NO.. so fuck off with your conspiracy theories and putting words into my mouth so you can make some half assed argument.. because it bothers you that I appreciate Froch's style and you don't..

-You saying that "armchair fans" might think Froch look like crap is basically admitting that he DOES look like crap, unless one possesses a higher level of knowledge (like you) to interpret his shortcomings otherwise. And there are a lot of people on here who are NOT armchair fans who have noted his flaws as well, without excusing them as "strategy".

-PROVE YOU WRONG? This is subjective; you can't prove what his strategy is and I can't prove what it isn't. I'm saying that the more likely scenario is that he has developed bad habits that he hasn't overcome, while you are saying that he is "tricky".

-as a fan, I appreciate his unorthodox style... I never said I didn't... it makes for entertaining fights... but I am under no illusions that his flaws aren't real flaws and won't result in him getting exposed one day by a world class opponent.

-Again, you call it setting a trap, I call it a flaw, because against a high caliber opponent his "trap" won't work... hence it is flawed. It didn't even work against Pascal, who most people predicted he would KO before the 10th round. Fortunately Carl found a jab which led him to a points victory.

-As for Taylor.. Spinks and Ouma are great examples of how easily Taylor can be discouraged... Kelly Pavlik is the best example of how easy it is to discourage Taylor.. and How easy it to beat him even when he is on his game.. Eevn on his game Taylor just does not have Boxing smarts.. He is athletic and skilled.. But he is not a Fighter.. All of his big wins come with controversy and many people saying he lost them.. His tile reign was uninspiring and he lost it to a very limited but smart fighter.. His only good performance was a loss.. to the same limited but smart fighter..

Spinks frustrated Taylor by being a slick, evasive boxer - Carl Froch is not that guy

Ouma discouraged Taylor? How's that? By getting pounded for 12 rounds without going down?

Pavlik discouraged Taylor? When? You just said his best performance was his decision loss to Pavlik. He looked tired the last two rounds of that fight, but not discouraged.

I will agree with you about his boxing smarts, but with the caveat that he has shown good development in his last two fights by staying in the center of the ring, using his jab both for offense and defense, countering accurately, tying up strategically, etc.

However, you said he is easily discouraged... and with that, I disagree. Even since leaving Manny Steward, Steward has been adamant that Taylor is a fighter and the meanest guy he's ever trained.

His confidence may have taken a hit during his title reign, but if you put any young fighter in against Hopkins twice, Wright, and Pavlik twice, within a 2 1/2 year span, and you are bound to get the same result. You saw the look on Pavlik's face after one fight with Hopkins, right?

Some of your criticism of Taylor is accurate, but you are not giving the guy enough credit. It's not as though he got his belt by beating a Pascal or Zuniga or hung onto it by fighting Hausslers and Manfredos.