Froch near his peak already

[kevtwin]

Well done to Froch for getting the title but all in all his limitations are too plain for all to see at the highest levels. Both men were game with great chins but Pascal didnt have the smarts to get at FRoch by any other way than lunging in with very messy attacks that left him exposed time and again. Froch doesnt throw enough leather and in one round i counted 21 punches thrown (i think the 6th). He is a young man and at his age and this weight needs to have far more mobility and speed of punch. He seems ponderous and i dont see how he can improve that style.
Kessler is a bit like Froch - only with smarts! Kessler hits as hard but has a better defence, better jab and better all round movement. Kessler would probably stop Froch and i think that Taylor would be too fast and far to intelligent for Froch to be able to keep up with. I think Kessler and Taylor would definately fancy a piece of him after seeing how open he is. Its not just about landing big shots, as Pascal did, and a good boxer would just box him into bewilderment.
Froch would fancy the big pay day against Calzaghe but i think its fair to say that there is a huge gulf in class between the two and would be a step down for Joe.
Froch would be behind most of the middleweights from Britain in the last 20 years including Benn, Watson, Eubank, Calzaghe (of course) and probably even Bomber Graham.
Fair play to him though for making the most of what he HAS got.

[.Mik.]

Froch is one of the oldest active fighters at the top of that division.

[SHB]

He's past his peak IMO. Physically he looks slower and less mobile than he did a couple of years ago.

I'd have Kessler ahead of him by a mile.

[BetterCallSaul]

Well done to Froch for getting the title but all in all his limitations are too plain for all to see at the highest levels. Both men were game with great chins but Pascal didnt have the smarts to get at FRoch by any other way than lunging in with very messy attacks that left him exposed time and again. Froch doesnt throw enough leather and in one round i counted 21 punches thrown (i think the 6th). He is a young man and at his age and this weight needs to have far more mobility and speed of punch. He seems ponderous and i dont see how he can improve that style.
Kessler is a bit like Froch - only with smarts! Kessler hits as hard but has a better defence, better jab and better all round movement. Kessler would probably stop Froch and i think that Taylor would be too fast and far to intelligent for Froch to be able to keep up with. I think Kessler and Taylor would definately fancy a piece of him after seeing how open he is. Its not just about landing big shots, as Pascal did, and a good boxer would just box him into bewilderment.
Froch would fancy the big pay day against Calzaghe but i think its fair to say that there is a huge gulf in class between the two and would be a step down for Joe.
Froch would be behind most of the middleweights from Britain in the last 20 years including Benn, Watson, Eubank, Calzaghe (of course) and probably even Bomber Graham.
Fair play to him though for making the most of what he HAS got.

Kessler couldnt floor Calzaghe who got put on his arse by old Jones, and Hopkins. How is he going to KO Froch, with that monster chin?

I don't know who would win out of Kessler and Froch, but it is not clear cut.

[Dynamite Kid]

He's past his peak IMO. Physically he looks slower and less mobile than he did a couple of years ago.

I'd have Kessler ahead of him by a mile.

I agree 100%, i think his peak has been and gone he looked slow and past his best last night for me.

[S A M U R A I]

Kessler couldnt floor Calzaghe who got put on his arse by old Jones, and Hopkins. How is he going to KO Froch, with that monster chin?

I don't know who would win out of Kessler and Froch, but it is not clear cut.

Nobody floors Calzaghe. Well, if they do, he gets up and wins. Happens every time. Joe is too good.

Froch isn't anywhere near his peak. He's had only 24 fights, FFS.



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[Welter_Skelter]

WOW for such a slow puncher.. he sure fucking lands a lot of hurtful punches..

I realise some people have never had a chance to see Froch before last night..But he always looked the way he looked last night..

I agree that his punches seem telgraphed.. SO why do they land..???

because they are slightly off angle... and his reach is deceptive.. you THINK you are out of range..But you are not.. Froch is also good at changing target mid punch.. he starts High ..But connects low.. He starts low but connects high..

Froch's Skills are far too subtle for an armchair Boxing fanboy to understand..

[hookoutofhell]

no i agree wth you welter skelter froch does some very cute things in the ring and thats why hes hard to fight against. but as the thread starter pointed out his flaws are just too obvious, this was the first ime that he was facing a good fighter someone on his level and although he won, if i was kess or ven taylor i wouldn't be quaking in my boots.

froch was constantly relying on one punch power to take out and hurt jean pascal, his punches are loopy and awakward they come from everywhere and anywhere but what happens when you meet a guy with a tough chin. thats what happened last night, and froch couldn't string his power punches togther. thats why when they did tear it up pascal actually looked better, he wasn't landing the stronger blows but was landing more often and often the cleaner shots.

froch imo has his left hand too low and is too slow as well. kess would just make him eat his jab all night long. if they brawl kess wins as long as he is not tagged to cleanly and if they box well then its going to be even more cleear cut for kess.

[Welter_Skelter]

no i agree wth you welter skelter froch does some very cute things in the ring and thats why hes hard to fight against. but as the thread starter pointed out his flaws are just too obvious, this was the first ime that he was facing a good fighter someone on his level and although he won, if i was kess or ven taylor i wouldn't be quaking in my boots.

froch was constantly relying on one punch power to take out and hurt jean pascal, his punches are loopy and awakward they come from everywhere and anywhere but what happens when you meet a guy with a tough chin. thats what happened last night, and froch couldn't string his power punches togther. thats why when they did tear it up pascal actually looked better, he wasn't landing the stronger blows but was landing more often and often the cleaner shots.

froch imo has his left hand too low and is too slow as well. kess would just make him eat his jab all night long. if they brawl kess wins as long as he is not tagged to cleanly and if they box well then its going to be even more cleear cut for kess.

So far 24 fighters and trainers.. have all told their fighter to "EXPOSE" his "FLAWS"

This is what I mean by.. too subtle.. Everyone knows Froch keeps his left low and is easy to counter with an over the jab right hand.. Froch Knows it too.. See my point.. if he knows it.. isn't it possible that he is not worried about getting hit.. and as you land more often and grow in confidence he just sets you up..????

I have seen the last 12 fights of Froch's career live on TV.. and watched most of the rest recorded..

every fight looks the same and ends the same...The guy is just awkward and so it fools people into thinking he is crap..
I assure you he is not..

Now as for Kessler.. I have always said.. Kessler is the ONE guy Froch should probably avoid.. because YES.. Froch's biggest weakness is Good STRAIGHT punchers..However I doubt it would be a cakewalk and it's entirely possible That Froch could win it..
Froch has been calling out Kess since he beat Henry Porras and did it faster and more brutally than Kessler did.. so at least we know Froch doesn't fear Kess..

Taylor??? give me a break.. he has all the skills needed.. but doesn't know how to use them.. and I predict he would get stopped by the 8th round..
Like Zab Judah.. Taylor is just too easy to discourage

[The Hammer]

Kessler couldnt floor Calzaghe who got put on his arse by old Jones, and Hopkins. How is he going to KO Froch, with that monster chin?

I don't know who would win out of Kessler and Froch, but it is not clear cut.

- Hopkins put Joe down with a tricky combination of "hit then push"
- Roy put him down with his forearm to the face.

Neither were legit knockdowns!