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  • ACHlLLES
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    #21
    Originally posted by Chase8400
    Kinda like the one he got caught with in his only loss at Cruiser?
    Think about it.
    That was stamina issues if you were talking about the thompson fight... Idiot let himself burn himself out. Carl Thompson pulled an ali in that fight, and haye fell right into the trap

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    • Mr. Ryan
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      #22
      Originally posted by azza
      David Haye - Strong fighter with good speed, huge power, decent technique, **** defence and **** chin.

      Chris Arreola - Strong fighter with **** speed, **** power, **** technique and a **** chin.

      Haye KO.
      How does Arreola, who has scored third round TKOs over Travis Walker (28-1), Chazz Witherspoon (23-0), Thomas Hayes (26-1) and Israel Garcia (19-1), have "****" power? The guy clearly has enough power to score early stoppages over decent competition, wouldn't you agree?

      Arreola has a **** chin, but has only been on the canvas once. I don't get it.

      I would say that Haye's "huge" power still needs to be tested against more durable heavyweights. Barrett has never been considered a big heavyweight, having weighed in at 213 pounds just last year. That effectively is what a cruiserweight would weigh in on the day of the fight.

      Arreola has been knocking out real heavyweights, guys like Travis Walker who weighs in between 230-250.

      And I wouldn't say Haye has the best technique really, he often leaves himself out of position to punch and rarely if ever counterpunches.

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      • The_Visitation
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        #23
        50/50 my arse. Arreola is a club fighter being ludicrously over-rated due to what I guess is desperation on the part of US fans. Unless you happen to believe in the tooth-fairy, or that 'Rocky' was a true story, an easy win for Haye.

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          #24
          Originally posted by The_Visitation
          50/50 my arse. Arreola is a club fighter being ludicrously over-rated due to what I guess is desperation on the part of US fans. Unless you happen to believe in the tooth-fairy, or that 'Rocky' was a true story, an easy win for Haye.
          Moving into any other division is not nearly as big a deal as moving into the heavyweights. There, all bets are off. Whatever you accomplished in other divisions is no longer relevant, this is a whole different ball game when you're dealing with 250 pound guys laying into your midsection.

          I personally feel Haye is too small and too wild to make it to the top of the division, though I may be completely wrong. His speed is good, but it's not overwhelmingly good. His power has yet to be tested against a big heavyweight and he doesn't have much in the way of technique, really. The only guy who could get away with being Roy Jones is Roy Jones.

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          • Jupiter Maximus
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            #25
            Originally posted by The_Visitation
            50/50 my arse. Arreola is a club fighter being ludicrously over-rated due to what I guess is desperation on the part of US fans. Unless you happen to believe in the tooth-fairy, or that 'Rocky' was a true story, an easy win for Haye.
            Well the Producer and Stallone were sued by some club-fighter who claimed they based the movie on his life ....forgot the guys name though (i think he was irish or something)

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              #26
              Originally posted by Asian Sensation
              How does Arreola, who has scored third round TKOs over Travis Walker (28-1), Chazz Witherspoon (23-0), Thomas Hayes (26-1) and Israel Garcia (19-1), have "****" power? The guy clearly has enough power to score early stoppages over decent competition, wouldn't you agree?

              Arreola has a **** chin, but has only been on the canvas once. I don't get it.

              I would say that Haye's "huge" power still needs to be tested against more durable heavyweights. Barrett has never been considered a big heavyweight, having weighed in at 213 pounds just last year. That effectively is what a cruiserweight would weigh in on the day of the fight.

              Arreola has been knocking out real heavyweights, guys like Travis Walker who weighs in between 230-250.

              And I wouldn't say Haye has the best technique really, he often leaves himself out of position to punch and rarely if ever counterpunches.
              i agree with you man, im sorry azza mate but saying that a guy who gets KD and in the same round comes back and scores his own KD has a poor chin is just silly. the fight with walker reminded me alot of clazaghevs mitchell where joe got decked but came back to score a KO and then a TKO in the same round!!!!

              when a fighter gets KD but comes back to win the next round or the fight he is tough but when he gets KD and comes back to win the same round hes i just a bad ass mofo!!!

              i think hayes power is pretty legit, vs barrett he looked as though he could have had his man out of there at any point and at any round he chose, he had him going down with glancing shots and scuffed blows, the one time haye actually put his punches togther with a good left hook barrett was KTFO!

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                #27
                Originally posted by Jupiter Maximus
                Well the Producer and Stallone were sued by some club-fighter who claimed they based the movie on his life ....forgot the guys name though (i think he was irish or something)
                Chuck Wepner AKA "The Bayonne Bleeder", who boasts wins over Randy Neumann and Ernie Terrell.

                Here is the misconception here, and one that I think Wepner wanted to promote and use to his advantage, the story of Rocky was not based on his life, but inspired by. There are no similarities between Wepner's life and Rocky.

                The inspiration to write a movie about a no-hoper giving it everything he had came from his fight with Muhammad Ali where he was never competitive but damn if he didn't try.

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                • BrooklynBomber
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                  #28
                  Arreola has better punching technique then Haye.

                  I am not talking about skills in general, just punching technique.
                  He throws short hooks, can double on them and he throws his cross off his chin.

                  Genral skills department is also shaky, Haye is very athletic, however he is not a particurarly skilled or smart fighter.
                  He is quite easy to figure out, since his strategy really comes to two stages:
                  1) to pull in his opponent and catch him with a hard potshot
                  2) If he hurts his opponent, then he goes to bumrush him and catch him with something big or if he does not, then he goes to step one again.

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                  • Ian_ST24i
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                    #29
                    Haye by KO.

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                    • boxaholic
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                      #30
                      Now that will be a must see heavyweight fight. Haye would probably box Arreola's socks off. But Haye is on Arreolas level more than the Klichkos

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