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I wish I could take credit for this but this is a post from another boxing forum which has MANY valid points -
I am ****ing sick to the back teeth with this unmitigated ****E opinion that is constantly hawked round about Roy Jones.
Roy Jones fought at a time when the 175 division was a baron tumbleweed whistling through the street dead town.
Jones's PRIME involved DUCKING EVERY single big name fighter at 168.
We have ZERO ****ING idea on whether Jones would have been able to retain his record, image or head-on-shoulders had he of ACTUALLY foght the best guys in the world, who for him at that time were mostly at 168.
INVARIABLY ALL Roy Jones fans believe he would not have got beat or KTFO in his prime to which I say on the basis of what credible evidence?
Because he was able to show clean hooves and speed against a weight drained OVER-RATED James Toney?
Because he could do this to SIX BUMS rated ALL OUTSIDE the worlds top 10 in EVERY SINGLE fight he had at 168 over a two year period?
It is all well and good showing speed and ability against bums in freak show ppv events, but does ONE SINGLULAR victory equate to Jones could NEVER be beaten or KTFO by all the best at 168?
James Toney was ONE result ONE test, nothing more than that.
If we compare the quality of opposition fought and beat at 168 Toney's record does NOT match that of Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank or subsequently Steve Collins and as we know James Toney is notoriously ill disciplined and totally messed up everything in preparation for that fight, just as he has for others throughout his career.
This is why for all of James Toney 's ability he career looks like a train wreck with mucking about not knowing what weight to fight at, with takin banned drugs twice and getting banned from boxing, with smoking dope before fights etc
James Toney what has he done since the Roy Jones fight to show us we can base so much about Jones from that win?
I tell you what James Toney has done he has lost to Montell Griffen, Virgil Hill an twice to Samuel Peter and he has failed to keep any major world title for any amount of time without getting beat and he has failed to clear out any division.
So was Roy Jones beating this guy really what helps define Roy Jones is this good enough to tell us tha Roy would not have been beat or sparked out by motivate every time, consistent and superior fighters like Benn, Eubank or Collins?
See I don't think so, not ****ING REMOTELY!!!
But how does this relate to Roy Jones at 175?
Because it all feeds into the Roy Jones myth of being unbeatable prime.
Would anyone talk the way they do about Roy had he of been KTFO by Nigel Benn?
I ABSOLUTELY GUARENTEE NOBODY would talk about him the same way as they currently do.
Jones had speed prime but do we seriously think he could have gone 12 rounds with Benn without getting caught?
NO CHANCE!!!
Benn caught you no matter what, he caught EVERYONE!!!
The only question was once caught could you take it like granite chinned Eubank and Collins?
Jones has a weak chin as Tarver and Johnson proved and that has ZERO to do with moving up and down weight classes as some idiots will have you believe.
Punch resistance/how good your chin is the one thing in boxing you CAN'T change!!
No matter what you do your chin is your chin and Jones has ALWAYS been a bit chinny and that INCLUDES prime..
Jones ranaway to a WEAK 175 and avoided the only really decent fighter for years in Dariusz Michaelski.
All the other guys he beat at 175 were nothing special.
At the end of the day Tarver and Johnson were the best 175 had to offer and they had Jones on toast.
What is to say they wouldn't have sparked chinny Jones in his prime?
Do we back this Myth up that Roy Jones is an ALL TIME GREAT because he was fast and flashy and made the following (not in any order) look ****e;
Virgil Hill
David Telesco
Reggie Johnson
Clinton Woods
Glen Kelly
Otis Grant
Eric Harding
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Derrick Harmon
Richard Hall
Lou Del Valle
Richard Frazier
Bryant Brannon
Merqui Sosa
Tony Thornton
Eric Lukas
Vinny Paziennza
Antoine Byrd
Can someone please tell me which one of these ****ing SUPERSTARS above Haha result in us saying that Roy Jones prime would have even beat Tarver or Glen Johnson???
I mean name one guy above that is better at 175 who Jones beat???
PLEASE???
Tell me where is the information that Roy Jones beats;
Nigel Benn (the guy who beat Gerald Mcclellan and Eubank..he won the 2nd fight)
Chris Eubank ( the guy that beat Benn in fight 1 and beat Watson fight 2 and went 12 twice with Collins)
Steve Collins (the guy who beats Eubank and Benn twice)
Dariusz Michaelski (the guy he wouldn't fight)
FINALLY......
We get to Joe Calzaghe.
What information exists to say that Roy Jones beats him at 168 or 175?
Joe has fought twice at 175 once beating a PRIME Hopkins (yes prime as his best fights are Tarver and Winky pre Joe and Pavlik post Joe) and once CLOWNING Roy Jones.
Which one of those SUPERSTAR names above betters Hopkins PRIME at 175????
ANYONE PLEASE??
Does James Toney's FAT OVERHYPED ASS that lost to Virgil Hill and Samuel Peter suggest he beats Calzaghe?
How shall I put this....HOW THE **** SO? Haha
We could argue that Jones was faster in his prime to which I could argue so too was Calzaghe and Calzaghe didn't have smashed hands either.
I could also argue that they met at Jones prefered weight when Calzaghe had only one fight experience at the weight and fightin in Jones's country.
You could argue that a prime Jones would have KOd Calzaghe in that 1st round.
Yea and the same argument could be extended to Byran Mitchel and Bernard Hopkins and neither of them could follow up on Calzaghe either.
Putting Calzaghe down is one thing KO has been proved to be entirely somthing else and something NEVER done by anyone.
Also let's be absolutely clear on this Roy Jones has had a career of often carrying fighter and not finnishing them off so this idea that he would have done it prime is BS.
Most KO artists have two things, they have POWER but VERY often they also have a decent chin that allows them to go after opponents that they have hurt and not worry too much if they get caught or have to exchange.
Tyson, Benn etc....
Power but also a chin.
Fighters that have power but no chin are often a lot more cautious in trying to take guys out and much more likely to carry guys snd try and pick them off with care.
Roy Jones was ALWAYS CHINNY even prime and so even against Calzaghe in his prime he would not have come in to try and wipe Calzaghe out. He would have done exactly the same as he did in their actual fight.
There is ZERO EVIDENCE to support the idea of Roy Jones beating Calzaghe in his prime and a TON of evidence to suggest it goes the same way.
The career of Roy Jones is one of a supremely athletic fast skilked fighter with a poor chin who beat up on bums and those short of being the best, whilst DUCKING ALL the dangerous/best fighters save the ones thatbeat him and a green Hopkins and an ill disciplined James Toney.
The guy goes down as potential wasted and the greatest DUCK in history and he has one more title that I shall now bestow upon him.
Roy Jones Nickname (The MYTH) THE MOST OVER-RATED BOXER in BOXING HISTORY.
May true 175 guys turn in their graves at the unfair comparisons.....If it is any consolation I hear that Roy is also DUCKING the Theoretical fights
P.S
I want this to be my last word on Roy....don't want to keep chasing the same cause with a stick haha
I am ****ing sick to the back teeth with this unmitigated ****E opinion that is constantly hawked round about Roy Jones.
Roy Jones fought at a time when the 175 division was a baron tumbleweed whistling through the street dead town.
Jones's PRIME involved DUCKING EVERY single big name fighter at 168.
We have ZERO ****ING idea on whether Jones would have been able to retain his record, image or head-on-shoulders had he of ACTUALLY foght the best guys in the world, who for him at that time were mostly at 168.
INVARIABLY ALL Roy Jones fans believe he would not have got beat or KTFO in his prime to which I say on the basis of what credible evidence?
Because he was able to show clean hooves and speed against a weight drained OVER-RATED James Toney?
Because he could do this to SIX BUMS rated ALL OUTSIDE the worlds top 10 in EVERY SINGLE fight he had at 168 over a two year period?
It is all well and good showing speed and ability against bums in freak show ppv events, but does ONE SINGLULAR victory equate to Jones could NEVER be beaten or KTFO by all the best at 168?
James Toney was ONE result ONE test, nothing more than that.
If we compare the quality of opposition fought and beat at 168 Toney's record does NOT match that of Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank or subsequently Steve Collins and as we know James Toney is notoriously ill disciplined and totally messed up everything in preparation for that fight, just as he has for others throughout his career.
This is why for all of James Toney 's ability he career looks like a train wreck with mucking about not knowing what weight to fight at, with takin banned drugs twice and getting banned from boxing, with smoking dope before fights etc
James Toney what has he done since the Roy Jones fight to show us we can base so much about Jones from that win?
I tell you what James Toney has done he has lost to Montell Griffen, Virgil Hill an twice to Samuel Peter and he has failed to keep any major world title for any amount of time without getting beat and he has failed to clear out any division.
So was Roy Jones beating this guy really what helps define Roy Jones is this good enough to tell us tha Roy would not have been beat or sparked out by motivate every time, consistent and superior fighters like Benn, Eubank or Collins?
See I don't think so, not ****ING REMOTELY!!!
But how does this relate to Roy Jones at 175?
Because it all feeds into the Roy Jones myth of being unbeatable prime.
Would anyone talk the way they do about Roy had he of been KTFO by Nigel Benn?
I ABSOLUTELY GUARENTEE NOBODY would talk about him the same way as they currently do.
Jones had speed prime but do we seriously think he could have gone 12 rounds with Benn without getting caught?
NO CHANCE!!!
Benn caught you no matter what, he caught EVERYONE!!!
The only question was once caught could you take it like granite chinned Eubank and Collins?
Jones has a weak chin as Tarver and Johnson proved and that has ZERO to do with moving up and down weight classes as some idiots will have you believe.
Punch resistance/how good your chin is the one thing in boxing you CAN'T change!!
No matter what you do your chin is your chin and Jones has ALWAYS been a bit chinny and that INCLUDES prime..
Jones ranaway to a WEAK 175 and avoided the only really decent fighter for years in Dariusz Michaelski.
All the other guys he beat at 175 were nothing special.
At the end of the day Tarver and Johnson were the best 175 had to offer and they had Jones on toast.
What is to say they wouldn't have sparked chinny Jones in his prime?
Do we back this Myth up that Roy Jones is an ALL TIME GREAT because he was fast and flashy and made the following (not in any order) look ****e;
Virgil Hill
David Telesco
Reggie Johnson
Clinton Woods
Glen Kelly
Otis Grant
Eric Harding
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Derrick Harmon
Richard Hall
Lou Del Valle
Richard Frazier
Bryant Brannon
Merqui Sosa
Tony Thornton
Eric Lukas
Vinny Paziennza
Antoine Byrd
Can someone please tell me which one of these ****ing SUPERSTARS above Haha result in us saying that Roy Jones prime would have even beat Tarver or Glen Johnson???
I mean name one guy above that is better at 175 who Jones beat???
PLEASE???
Tell me where is the information that Roy Jones beats;
Nigel Benn (the guy who beat Gerald Mcclellan and Eubank..he won the 2nd fight)
Chris Eubank ( the guy that beat Benn in fight 1 and beat Watson fight 2 and went 12 twice with Collins)
Steve Collins (the guy who beats Eubank and Benn twice)
Dariusz Michaelski (the guy he wouldn't fight)
FINALLY......
We get to Joe Calzaghe.
What information exists to say that Roy Jones beats him at 168 or 175?
Joe has fought twice at 175 once beating a PRIME Hopkins (yes prime as his best fights are Tarver and Winky pre Joe and Pavlik post Joe) and once CLOWNING Roy Jones.
Which one of those SUPERSTAR names above betters Hopkins PRIME at 175????
ANYONE PLEASE??
Does James Toney's FAT OVERHYPED ASS that lost to Virgil Hill and Samuel Peter suggest he beats Calzaghe?
How shall I put this....HOW THE **** SO? Haha
We could argue that Jones was faster in his prime to which I could argue so too was Calzaghe and Calzaghe didn't have smashed hands either.
I could also argue that they met at Jones prefered weight when Calzaghe had only one fight experience at the weight and fightin in Jones's country.
You could argue that a prime Jones would have KOd Calzaghe in that 1st round.
Yea and the same argument could be extended to Byran Mitchel and Bernard Hopkins and neither of them could follow up on Calzaghe either.
Putting Calzaghe down is one thing KO has been proved to be entirely somthing else and something NEVER done by anyone.
Also let's be absolutely clear on this Roy Jones has had a career of often carrying fighter and not finnishing them off so this idea that he would have done it prime is BS.
Most KO artists have two things, they have POWER but VERY often they also have a decent chin that allows them to go after opponents that they have hurt and not worry too much if they get caught or have to exchange.
Tyson, Benn etc....
Power but also a chin.
Fighters that have power but no chin are often a lot more cautious in trying to take guys out and much more likely to carry guys snd try and pick them off with care.
Roy Jones was ALWAYS CHINNY even prime and so even against Calzaghe in his prime he would not have come in to try and wipe Calzaghe out. He would have done exactly the same as he did in their actual fight.
There is ZERO EVIDENCE to support the idea of Roy Jones beating Calzaghe in his prime and a TON of evidence to suggest it goes the same way.
The career of Roy Jones is one of a supremely athletic fast skilked fighter with a poor chin who beat up on bums and those short of being the best, whilst DUCKING ALL the dangerous/best fighters save the ones thatbeat him and a green Hopkins and an ill disciplined James Toney.
The guy goes down as potential wasted and the greatest DUCK in history and he has one more title that I shall now bestow upon him.
Roy Jones Nickname (The MYTH) THE MOST OVER-RATED BOXER in BOXING HISTORY.
May true 175 guys turn in their graves at the unfair comparisons.....If it is any consolation I hear that Roy is also DUCKING the Theoretical fights
P.S
I want this to be my last word on Roy....don't want to keep chasing the same cause with a stick haha
...co-sign!
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