how much better is calzaaghe's resume than hatton's?

[SHB]

By 38-0, Calzaghe had fought Mitchell, Brewer, Sheika, Woodhall, Reid, Veit and Eubank.

By any stretch of the imagination, their comparable records at 38-0 simply are light years apart. And you can't seriously sit there and argue that Hatton couldn't have got a fight at a genuine world champion or world level fighter at that point?

Now, if you want to argue that, over the last 3 years, Hatton's competition is stronger than Calzaghe's then make that case. But to argue over their whole careers then that to me is a complete nonsense.

The irony for those of us who have followed Hatton's career from the beginning is that he's been on the slide physically since that Tsyzu fight. He could have achieved so much more if he'd ditched Warren and that coveted WBU belt. I was crying out for him to fight for a proper world title for years before he actually did.

[alframsey]

By 38-0, Calzaghe had fought Mitchell, Brewer, Sheika, Woodhall, Reid, Veit and Eubank.

By any stretch of the imagination, their comparable records at 38-0 simply are light years apart. And you can't seriously sit there and argue that Hatton couldn't have got a fight at a genuine world champion or world level fighter at that point?

Now, if you want to argue that, over the last 3 years, Hatton's competition is stronger than Calzaghe's then make that case. But to argue over their whole careers then that to me is a complete nonsense.

The irony for those of us who have followed Hatton's career from the beginning is that he's been on the slide physically since that Tsyzu fight. He could have achieved so much more if he'd ditched Warren and that coveted WBU belt. I was crying out for him to fight for a proper world title for years before he actually did.

Now i agree with you there. But i dont agree that Calzaghe fought truley world class oponents at 38-0. They may have been worl class 2-3 years before he fought them, but not when he did. You can't just quote big names and expect people to see them as world class when you fought them, you need to look at the context of the fight and where his opponents were when he fought them. Just because they were good once, doesnt mean they are good forever, fighting a name is one thing, fighting a prime name is completely different!

[Left Hook Tua]

By 38-0, Calzaghe had fought Mitchell, Brewer, Sheika, Woodhall, Reid, Veit and Eubank.

By any stretch of the imagination, their comparable records at 38-0 simply are light years apart. And you can't seriously sit there and argue that Hatton couldn't have got a fight at a genuine world champion or world level fighter at that point?

Now, if you want to argue that, over the last 3 years, Hatton's competition is stronger than Calzaghe's then make that case. But to argue over their whole careers then that to me is a complete nonsense.

The irony for those of us who have followed Hatton's career from the beginning is that he's been on the slide physically since that Tsyzu fight. He could have achieved so much more if he'd ditched Warren and that coveted WBU belt. I was crying out for him to fight for a proper world title for years before he actually did.

ricky had no choice but hold on to the wbu belt.

by 2001 kostya had practically all the belts (wbc , wba , ibf , ring) at 140 remember?

kostya didn't get stripped of his belts 'til like '04.

he could have gone after the wbo belt at 140 but i think zab judah had it. i don't think ricky's camp was willing to risk that fight. (not worth risking an L and losing a chance on getting kostya for ricky)

[SHB]

Now i agree with you there. But i dont agree that Calzaghe fought truley world class oponents at 38-0. They may have been worl class 2-3 years before he fought them, but not when he did. You can't just quote big names and expect people to see them as world class when you fought them, you need to look at the context of the fight and where his opponents were when he fought them. Just because they were good once, doesnt mean they are good forever, fighting a name is one thing, fighting a prime name is completely different!

You've just described Kostya there to a tee.

[Cletus Funk]

so you're comparing a fighter's fight as he positions himself to a title shot to a reigning champion's defenses?

i don't care who a person fights as he tries to get a title shot. i care about who he fought after becoming a champion.

ricky was around 27 when he got his title shot against kostya. (wbu doesn't count)

joe was around 26 when he got his title shot against eubank.

unlike joe , ricky didn't get his belt fighting a shot fighter for a vacant belt.
maybe ricky needed a 38-0 record to get a title shot at the 140 lineal champion and p4p fighter.

all i know is after beating kostya , ricky challenged another beltholder and a fight after that challenged for a belt in a higher weight class. ricky also challenged the #1 p4p fighter in the world soon after.

why did it take joe almost a decade as champion to fight another beltholder? why did it take joe more than a decade to jump up and challenge for a belt in a higher division?

oh yeah joe fought #1 p4p fighters too...... about a half decade too late......

You do know that Joe was supposed to fight Collins for the belt but he suddenly decided to retire 2 weeks before the fight, right?

Oh, and Eubank didn't look too shot in his CW fights with Thompson afterwards.

[sitai]

You do know that Joe was supposed to fight Collins for the belt but he suddenly decided to retire 2 weeks before the fight, right?

Oh, and Eubank didn't look too shot in his CW fights with Thompson afterwards.

its pretty much fact that eubank was shot...
i think even joe's camp agree on that

[Cletus Funk]

its pretty much fact that eubank was shot...
i think even joe's camp agree on that

Past prime? Yes. Shot? No. Guess you didn't see the Thompson fights.

[sitai]

ok shot might be abit ober the top but he was well past his prime and at the end of his career...

[bsrizpac]

it took calzaghe 23 fights to win the wbo title.
it only took sven ottke 13 fights to win the real ibf title.
they both had the same number of title defenses.
ottke is better.

LOL. Daggum you never fail to amuse me. HAHAHAA.

[sitai]

i think the question should be...
who do you think will finish with the better legacy?