Hattons Resume.

[The Gully Gad]

If the british fighters started out a little earlier in the states
taking on there bums and journeymans etc It wouldnt be such a shell shock to them then..

[hammerhiem]

If the british fighters started out a little earlier in the states
taking on there bums and journeymans etc It wouldnt be such a shell shock to them then..

wtf are you waffling about?

[black.ink]

Kostya had just finshed pummeling a top 10 guy in 3 rounds.. The same guy that P4P number 1 took much longer to dispose of.. Pretty weak reasoning by you

What is an "Average Champ"???? A champ is a champ... A champ had to get there by beating a Champ or top contender... and "average champ" is an Oxymoron.. People become champs by being above Average..

Hatton Clearly won 8-9 rounds of the Collazo Fight.. he also scored the only KNock down of the fight.. Yes he got rocked in the 12th round.. But 1 round does not make a fight.. This excuse is getting old.. and it's significance somewhat overblown.. Hitting the post does not count on the scoreboard.. and neither does ALMOST knocking someone down.. Almost doesn't count in Boxing

That is all .. You may Carry on..

Are you telling me the 8 or so minutes he shared a ring with an opponent for nearly 2 years is enough reason to say he'd beat Hatton? Especially an opponent who he had beat convincingly before. If that is so, then that is the same ignorance many others had against Hatton before the fight. Writing of a fighter in Hatton, who many had hardly seen before is ridiculous.

Also, styles make fights. Floyds style is not one that will finish an opponent off quicker then Tszyu could. Even you should know that.

By average champ, i mean not a good one. Maussa had a punchers chance against any at 140, but lacked any skill. His previous 4 fights before his title shot included 2 losses. His win against Harris was not proven enough to consider him to be a great opponent. His first title defense resulted in a loss. To me, that is an average champion. Yes, he was still a champion, but not a good one. Urango was also a heavy puncher who had fought nobody of note and his first defense also resulted in a loss. Not great to me i'm afraid.

Also, i had Hatton beat Collazo by 2 rounds, but many people believed Collazo had won. Again, i'm just stating what others had said.

Anything else?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Are you telling me the 8 or so minutes he shared a ring with an opponent for nearly 2 years is enough reason to say he'd beat Hatton? Especially an opponent who he had beat convincingly before. If that is so, then that is the same ignorance many others had against Hatton before the fight. Writing of a fighter in Hatton, who many had hardly seen before is ridiculous.

Also, styles make fights. Floyds style is not one that will finish an opponent off quicker then Tszyu could. Even you should know that.

By average champ, i mean not a good one. Maussa had a punchers chance against any at 140, but lacked any skill. His previous 4 fights before his title shot included 2 losses. His win against Harris was not proven enough to consider him to be a great opponent. His first title defense resulted in a loss. To me, that is an average champion. Yes, he was still a champion, but not a good one. Urango was also a heavy puncher who had fought nobody of note and his first defense also resulted in a loss. Not great to me i'm afraid.

Also, i had Hatton beat Collazo by 2 rounds, but many people believed Collazo had won. Again, i'm just stating what others had said.

Anything else?

Tszyu's first win wasnt convincing. It was a clinch fest where Mitchell retired because of injury. People were looking at that fight as a 50/50.

Hatton was considered an overhyped Euro fighter who had fought nobody. Which was partially true. He hadnt faced anyone NEAR Tszyu's class. And he was expected to be blown out in a few rounds.

Did Tszyu's age and inactivity play a part? Of course.....because Ricky made it play a part by the way he fought that night.

Maussa and Urango were world champions. End of. Whatever you think about them, they were champions in Hatton's division and he took them on and beat them.

Like i said, the fact that Hatton signed to fight 3 P4Pers and 4 World Champs in 8 fights should be enough reason to say his resume is very good

[Welter_Skelter]

Are you telling me the 8 or so minutes he shared a ring with an opponent for nearly 2 years is enough reason to say he'd beat Hatton? Especially an opponent who he had beat convincingly before. If that is so, then that is the same ignorance many others had against Hatton before the fight. Writing of a fighter in Hatton, who many had hardly seen before is ridiculous.

Also, styles make fights. Floyds style is not one that will finish an opponent off quicker then Tszyu could. Even you should know that.

By average champ, i mean not a good one. Maussa had a punchers chance against any at 140, but lacked any skill. His previous 4 fights before his title shot included 2 losses. His win against Harris was not proven enough to consider him to be a great opponent. His first title defense resulted in a loss. To me, that is an average champion. Yes, he was still a champion, but not a good one. Urango was also a heavy puncher who had fought nobody of note and his first defense also resulted in a loss. Not great to me i'm afraid.

Also, i had Hatton beat Collazo by 2 rounds, but many people believed Collazo had won. Again, i'm just stating what others had said.

Anything else?

Clearly Kostya's Performance against Mitchell proved he was far from being washed up.. He himself said several times before the Hatton fight that he felt in the best shape of his life.. and as proof that he was beating old personal training records.. His Performance against Hatton also proved he was still a Top fighter.. I for one think.. Hatton was allowed to get away with murder.. and still wonder if things would have been different if Jay Nady or Joe Cortez
were reffing, as opposed to VERY PRO BRITISH Dave Paris.. To whom Hatton actually winked at, at one point during the fight.. right after committing one of his many fouls..

I for one.. had seen 5 Hatton fights before the Tszyu fight(I lived in Leciester for 6 years until this June) And I picked Tzsyu to win along with just about everyone not named Hatton..

You are correct that styles make fights.. and that Tszyu's performance against Mitchell means nothing in relation to Mayweather's performance against Mitchell.. But it's still a decent gauge of How proficient Kostya still was the time of the Hatton fight..

I am pretty sure a Champ is a Champ is a fool proof argument.. It's fact.. every argument against it is opinion.. opinions are great.. and I welcome them.. But they have no Power VS the facts.. The fact is.. Hatton defeated Champs.. and there is nothing average about that..

That is all .. carry on ..

[The Gully Gad]

wtf are you waffling about?

If you dont know take ur hand off it and vist another thread

[IMDAZED]

In this era where nearly anyone can grab a belt, beating a champ means little unless the champ is that good. Louis Collazo and Carlos Maussa need not apply.

It's unfortunate that Hatton's resume has such a big name like Tszyu then little else. Not quite HOF material but I'd say his resume is pretty good. If he beats another elite he might be able to make a case though.

[Welter_Skelter]

In this era where nearly anyone can grab a belt, beating a champ means little unless the champ is that good. Louis Collazo and Carlos Maussa need not apply.

It's unfortunate that Hatton's resume has such a big name like Tszyu then little else. Not quite HOF material but I'd say his resume is pretty good. If he beats another elite he might be able to make a case though.

Were Maussa and Collazo champs??? Yes they were...

Does Your Opinion of them change that??? NO... it sure doesn't..

that is all I am trying to say.. in the case of academics.. They were champs..

It's recorded history my friend..

[black.ink]

Tszyu's first win wasnt convincing. It was a clinch fest where Mitchell retired because of injury. People were looking at that fight as a 50/50.

Hatton was considered an overhyped Euro fighter who had fought nobody. Which was partially true. He hadnt faced anyone NEAR Tszyu's class. And he was expected to be blown out in a few rounds.

Did Tszyu's age and inactivity play a part? Of course.....because Ricky made it play a part by the way he fought that night.

Maussa and Urango were world champions. End of. Whatever you think about them, they were champions in Hatton's division and he took them on and beat them.

Like i said, the fact that Hatton signed to fight 3 P4Pers and 4 World Champs in 8 fights should be enough reason to say his resume is very good

Tszyu/Mitchell 1 may not have been the most exciting fight, but before the stoppage, i had Tszyu winning by 2 rounds including the deduction.

Before the Tszyu fight, i knew the fight was going to be tough, but i believed Hatton would actually win, when looking at both fighters situations, with one coming to the end of a career, and one coming into a career. Both had similar styles with Hatton being the younger, fresher fighter.

Just because Maussa and Urango were champions, it doesn't make a resume much better. They were poor champions. Their names do nothing for his resume except state former-champs. A great resume should hold great names no matter the outcome wether they are title fights or not. That is why in an earlier post i stated that Castillo's resume is far more impressive. Yet, if i included all the champs Castillo faced at the time he fought them, the list would be longer.

Also, if you read my first post, i clearly said Hatton's resume is good. I just pointed out the reasons as to why it aint great, or as good as it could have been.

[IMDAZED]

Were Maussa and Collazo champs??? Yes they were...

Does Your Opinion of them change that??? NO... it sure doesn't..

that is all I am trying to say.. in the case of academics.. They were champs..

It's recorded history my friend..

What are you saying?

Yes, I'm aware of champs but, unlike some narrow people on this site, I'm more considered with the fighter not his hardware. Fighters make the belt, not vice versa.