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  • Compare: Tyson vs. Holmes and Joe Calzaghe Vs. Roy Yones

    Mike Tyson (in his prime). Having destroyed most of his opponents by KO in the first few rounds.

    Larry Holmes (coming off a decision loss 2 years prior). 49-1 and two years retired.

    Holmes talks trash about Tyson saying he's a thug and that he's a bad person at the press conference.

    Tyson destroys Holmes in four rounds knocking him down multiple times and becoming the only man to KO Holmes. Basically a non-competitive steamrolling. This would never happen to Holmes again (not against Vander or Mccall).

    After the fight Tyson says that he could never beat Holmes in his prime and that Holmes was a great champion and was "awesome". Holmes throughout the years continues to badmouth Tyson.

    Tyson goes on as we all know to do what he did. Holmes CONTINUES to fight have a very GOOD career after his KO by Tyson never being KOed again AND being competitive with champions Evander Holyfield in 1992 (42 years old), by UD after 12 rounds; and Oliver McCall in 1995, by UD in 12 rounds (45 years old).

    Tyson gets historically no credit for this win.

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    Joe Calzaghe coming off of his best wins and best competition(prime is debatable but his best wins were when he was older against kessler and Lacy and B-hop at age 37).


    Roy Yones Jr coming off of a win over Tito (who was bloated retired multiple times and hadn't had a real win since Hassin Cherefi or Mayorga if you want to be nice and two nobodies). Way past his physical and mental prime at age 39 having been brutally KOed 3/4 years before not once but TWICE and also quitting in a fight against Tarver. Suddenly once the fight is signed, tons of people begin to think that Roy still has it for some reason (be they Joe or Roy fans) somehow blocking out his brutal Knockout losses.

    Joe has said before the fight in his book that Jones is shot and a joke and there would be no point to fighting him. Strangely changes his mind and begins to say Roy is still a great fighter and then decides to fight him. Prefight build up is lackluster, the two look more like gay lovers than enemies. Roy appears just happy to be there and Joe's dad babbles on talking trash about Roy.

    Joe gets dropped at the outset (forearm, fist, whatever). Gets up and proceeds to dominate and humiliate Jones. Joe stands in front of Jones with his hands down head touching head and Jones doesn't even throw punches. UD for Joe (some say he let's Jones survive ) but never hurt jones the same way glen johnson did or even Tarver did. First time in his career that Roy jones is cut. Cornermen of Roy prove incompetent.

    Joe gives Roy credit only to say that he's STILL a good fighter after the fight (thus making himself look better).

    Joe is declared an all time great and would beat Jones in his prime by his fans.

    Discuss.
    Last edited by bsrizpac; 11-21-2008, 12:13 PM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by bsrizpac View Post
    Mike Tyson (in his prime). Having destroyed most of his opponents by KO in the first few rounds.

    Larry Holmes (coming off a decision loss 2 years prior). 49-1 and two years retired.

    Holmes talks trash about Tyson saying he's a thug and that he's a bad person at the press conference.

    Tyson destroys Holmes in four rounds knocking him down multiple times and becoming the only man to KO Holmes. Basically a non-competitive steamrolling. This would never happen to Holmes again (not against Vander or Mccall).

    After the fight Tyson says that he could never beat Holmes in his prime and that Holmes was a great champion and was "awesome". Holmes throughout the years continues to badmouth Tyson.

    Tyson goes on as we all know to do what he did. Holmes CONTINUES to fight have a very GOOD career after his KO by Tyson never being KOed again AND being competitive with champions Evander Holyfield in 1992 (42 years old), by UD after 12 rounds; and Oliver McCall in 1995, by UD in 12 rounds (45 years old).

    Tyson gets historically no credit for this win.

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    Joe Calzaghe coming off of his best wins and best competitionprime is debatable but his best wins were when he was older against kessler and Lacy and B-hop at age 37).


    Roy Yones Jr coming off of a win over Tito (who was bloated retired multiple times and hadn't had a real win since Hassin Cherefi or Mayorga if you want to be nice and two nobodies). Way past his physical and mental prime at age 49 having been brutally KOed 3/4 years before not once but TWICE and also quitting in a fight against Tarver. Suddenly once the fight is signed, tons of people begin to think that Roy still has it for some reason (be they Joe or Roy fans) somehow blocking out his brutal Knockout losses.

    Joe has said before the fight in his book that Jones is shot and a joke and there would be no point to fighting him. Strangely changes his mind and begins to say Roy is still a great fighter and then decides to fight him. Prefight build up is lackluster, the two look more like gay lovers than enemies. Roy appears just happy to be there and Joe's dad babbles on talking trash about Roy.

    Joe gets dropped at the outset (forearm, fist, whatever). Gets up and proceeds to dominate and humiliate Jones. Joe stands in front of Jones with his hands down head touching head and Jones doesn't even throw punches. UD for Joe (some say he let's Jones survive ) but never hurt jones the same way glen johnson did or even Tarver did. First time in his career that Roy jones is cut. Cornermen of Roy prove incompetent.

    Joe gives Roy credit only to say that he's STILL a good fighter after the fight (thus making himself look better).

    Joe is declared an all time great and would beat Jones in his prime by his fans.

    Discuss.
    I think Tyson should get more credit for his win against Holmes. I thought Holmes was past his best days but not shot when Tyson fought him. Tyson unified the belts and was the youngest HW Champ ever. He dominated his opposition and was the most feared man on the planet at one time. As for joe he dominated Roy although he did not knock him out he beat him up pretty badily. I cannot bad mouth Joe Calzaghe he won the fight hands down. Jones may be past his better days but Joe didn't just beat he beat him up. He beat Hopkins(SD) who destroyed Pavlik and he beat Kessler. These are 3 very good wins in the last 2 years....Lefty

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    • #3
      Good write.

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      • #4
        holmes probably had more in the tank than jones. holmes was 38, jones was 39 but holmes wasnt viciosuly ko'd twice.

        tyson should also get credit for being the only man to ko holmes, even though it was a past-prime holmes.

        truth is, a past-prime holmes could probably clean out 99% of todays heavyweights!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by X89 View Post
          holmes probably had more in the tank than jones. holmes was 38, jones was 39 but holmes wasnt viciosuly ko'd twice.

          tyson should also get credit for being the only man to ko holmes, even though it was a past-prime holmes.

          truth is, a past-prime holmes could probably clean out 99% of todays heavyweights!
          Probably? LOL. Jones was done done done after Johnson. come on. Larry had WAY more in the tank. Look at their records.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Benny Leonard View Post
            Good write.
            Joe should also get some credit for moving up in weight.

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            • #7
              why do you keep calling him Roy Yones

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              • #8
                Originally posted by iBox4Real View Post
                why do you keep calling him Roy Yones
                That's how Joe pronounces it. Watch 24/7

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bsrizpac View Post
                  Joe should also get some credit for moving up in weight.
                  LOL....that's a joke right???


                  Let's see:

                  Joe moved up to fight a 43 year old named Bernard Hopkins...who fought about 97% of his career at middleweight.

                  He then fights a shot Roy Jones Jr. who started his career at 154...but I will make him a legit 175 pounder since he had a nice length of time there...and he did move up to HW for one fight to beat Ruiz.

                  Other than that...LOL

                  And what about Heavyweights that never get credit for fighting bigger fighters?

                  Chris Byrd, Evander Holyfield, Tyson, etc.

                  Sam Langford should get some credit...not Joe.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Benny Leonard View Post
                    LOL....that's a joke right???


                    Let's see:

                    Joe moved up to fight a 43 year old named Bernard Hopkins...who fought about 97% of his career at middleweight.

                    He then fights a shot Roy Jones Jr. who started his career at 154...but I will make him a legit 175 pounder since he had a nice length of time there...and he did move up to HW for one fight to beat Ruiz.

                    Other than that...LOL

                    And what about Heavyweights that never get credit for fighting bigger fighters?

                    Chris Byrd, Evander Holyfield, Tyson, etc.
                    Dammit, stop messing up my troll bait.

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