Who deserves more credit

[Vasyl’s dad]

I'll give you Phillips, no excuses since Tszyu was in his prime, but Hatton?

They talked about Tszyu being past his prime for years. By the time he met Hatton he was 35 years of age, had two serious shoulder injuries that required surgery, and I here he may have been injured going into the Hatton fight which is why he got surgery again...and he fought 9 rounds in 3 years.

He was past his best so I wouldn't go too much into the Hatton loss.

The one thing I didn't like about his career is that I thought he should have moved up to 147 when Shane, Oscar, Tito, and Vernon were there.

Uh, you're responding to flawless.
Just remember that next time you decide to hit "reply".

[Flawless 2]

Sorry to disappoint you. Prime Tszyu beats Floyd. Perhaps you forgot or simply didn't realize that Oscar left JrWW rather than have to stay and fight Prime Tszyu. (the commonly held excuse for this is that Oscar left to fight an old Pernell Whittaker...but let's just say....Oscar never came back.)

Anyway.........it's been good. I'm going to bed. Night all.

Prime Kostya beat Mayweather how?? Getting stopped by Phillips proves he is stoppable FACT . Oscar fought Pernell which proved to be a harder fight and a great addition to his resume. Mayweather has stopped Bruseles and Gatti at 140 he has power there to stop Kostya.

Kostya best win is still Judah, who lost to Mayweather Cotto Clottey

[egreezy]

Let me ask you this, who has Floyd stopped that would make you think he could get Tzsyu out of there? If he can't stop Zab, how can he stop Kostya. Hell, he couldn't get Chop Chop out of there either.

I think Zab get stopped if he doesn't low blow Mayweather or cause melee

[Flawless 2]

I'll give you Phillips, no excuses since Tszyu was in his prime, but Hatton?

They talked about Tszyu being past his prime for years. By the time he met Hatton he was 35 years of age, had two serious shoulder injuries that required surgery, and I here he may have been injured going into the Hatton fight which is why he got surgery again...and he fought 9 rounds in 3 years.

He was past his best so I wouldn't go too much into the Hatton loss.

The one thing I didn't like about his career is that I thought he should have moved up to 147 when Shane, Oscar, Tito, and Vernon were there.

WOW

What about Mayweathers brittle hands, the same hand which forced his retirement. We don't cry about that mate yet he still was able to stop Hatton

[Benny Leonard]

Prime Kostya beat Mayweather how?? Getting stopped by Phillips proves he is stoppable FACT . Oscar fought Pernell which proved to be a harder fight and a great addition to his resume. Mayweather has stopped Bruseles and Gatti at 140 he has power there to stop Kostya.

Kostya best win is still Judah, who lost to Mayweather Cotto Clottey

Look at Judah on his road up to Tszyu, and then look at him after.

Mentally and Physically Judah was at his best going into that fight. After that KO, he was a mess. He would go up and down and never be consistent again Mentally or physically.

Kostya popped his cherry and Floyd got a broken down Judah.

Gatti's been stopped plenty of times and was washed up.

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[Benny Leonard]

Uh, you're responding to flawless.
Just remember that next time you decide to hit "reply".

I'm cool; don't worry.

[Flawless 2]

Look at Judah on his road up to Tszyu, and then look at him after.

Mentally and Physically Judah was at his best going into that fight. After that KO, he was a mess. He would go up and down and never be consistent again Mentally or physically.

Kostya popped his cherry and Floyd got a broken down Judah.

Gatti's been stopped plenty of times and was washed up.

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Did he also soften up Hatton for mayweather as well??

The sad thing is Judah is his best name on his resume, and always will be. Quit like a coward in his last match

[Benny Leonard]

Did he also soften up Hatton for mayweather as well??

The sad thing is Judah is his best name on his resume, and always will be. Quit like a coward in his last match

Ah, NO. There is a difference. Judah got KTFO and never recovered mentally. Hatton won his fight with Tszyu so his confidence grew. Judah thought Kostya was past his best so he was expecting to win; Hatton was counted out.

See the difference?

Also, go back over Judah's career leading up to Tszyu.

[Flawless 2]

Ah, NO. There is a difference. Judah got KTFO and never recovered mentally. Hatton won his fight with Tszyu so his confidence grew. Judah thought Kostya was past his best so he was expecting to win; Hatton was counted out.

See the difference?

Also, go back over Judah's career leading up to Tszyu.

Are you had Kostya not beat Judah. Judah would have beaten Mayweather Cotto Clottey with his poor stamina??? Judah afater Kostya will to become undisputed champion at WW, must have nothing to do with his mentally than right

[Benny Leonard]

Are you had Kostya not beat Judah. Judah would have beaten Mayweather Cotto Clottey with his poor stamina??? Judah afater Kostya will to become undisputed champion at WW, must have nothing to do with his mentally than right

Obviously you don't pay attention and you've never seen Judah fight prior to Tszyu...this is why I said take the time and go watch some of the fights prior to Tszyu.

You do know that Stamina is attributed to Mental preparation as well as physical. If you break down mentally in a fight it causes your heart to race which causes your stamina to decrease at a faster pace. That's why you have to stay relaxed and confident people stay relaxed.

I said Judah went up and down Mentally after his loss to Tszyu. He wasn't consistent. He had doubts when he fought.

This is also why people will ask: "If this fighter loses, can he bounce back strong, and if so, how strong."

Some fighters never quite recover that confidence they had.