Boxing requires a higher skill level than MMA.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

Thats not what he demonstrated. He indicated that you would do it while "bouncing around". As in, you are in your striking stance and not trying to shoot.

Your using a kempo fighter who second hand learned a move that was taught to wrestlers by a kickboxer as an example.

I'm just telling you what the move is. I'm not defending Lidell use of the move.

[IwatchBoxing]

Gotta say its my 2nd favorite sport right now behind Baseball

[alexdcolon]

This is false. Natural wrestlers are conditioned to not like being on their backs.

False?..lol Look at many of the top MMA Champions! MANY, MANY, MANY champions in MMA come from the sport of Greco-Roman, freestyle wrestling backrounds. Ya, even including the two that were fighting for the belt last night. DUHH! Why do you think Brock is a champion so quick? It's called leverage brotha'. Wresting is second to none in that category. Learning to be on your back is easy to get use to. Do you have any combat sport expierience? How would you know?

[TheGreatA]

This is a perfect example. I'd love to see him ATTEMPT this **** with a boxer:

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

6) A lot of people don't take into account how difficult it is to cross over from a striking background late in your career and pick up things like takedown and submission defense. Only one fighter has done that and been successful, and that was Crocop, who only started training for MMA at age 27. Some fighters like Anderson and Wanderlei Silva started striking at a young age, but incorporated grappling soon after.

Bas Rutten predates him. He was a Muy Thai guy learning catch on the fly.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

False?..lol Look at many of the top MMA Champions! MANY, MANY, MANY champions in MMA come from the sport of Greco-Roman, freestyle wrestling backrounds. Ya, even including the two that were fighting for the belt last night. DUHH! Why do you think Brock is a champion so quick? It's called leverage brotha'. Wresting is second to none in that category. Learning to be on your back is easy to get use to. Do you have any combat sport expierience? How would you know?

But transitioning from wrestling to BJJ isn't easy. You still got to shake the notion of bottom = bad.

And I was a wrestler and a judoka.

[MikeBrew328]

If you compared boxing to MMA, A LOT of pro's in PRO MMA have a skill level (in their own sport) similar to novices in amateur boxing. I'm not talking about the champs (I'll get on Lesnar in a few), but the guys on PPV cards and UFC fight night. Guys that have wrestled in high school make their debuts with no mma fights whatsoever on TUF, etc..

Something like a Brock Lesnar winning a world title in his 3rd fight ever would NEVER EVER happen in boxing. Even if he fought 300 amateur fights, he would need 20-30 pro fights to even be ready for a fight with the elite.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

lol Yea

I think the ones talking **** about MMA are just as bad as the MMA guys talking **** about boxing.

You know. I'm not hating or anything, but I haven't seen any of the hate from the hardcores. Only newbs.

Course I don't hang out at Sherdog or anything.

[sunthunder]

Bas Rutten predates him. He was a Muy Thai guy learning catch on the fly.

This is true, but I would argue that the period in which Bas fought was vastly different to the world of MMA Crocop became a force in. Old Pancrase rules differed a lot to modern MMA. Bas never really picked up great takedown defense, but I think he could get away with it in Pancrase due to rope breaks and the tendency everyone had to just go for leglocks with eachother. I think had Bas been fighting today, he wouldn't have had anywhere near his level of success. Crocop on the other hand, fought in truely modern MMA and became a nigh unstoppable juggernaut.

Anyway, I still think my point stands. Defensive grappling is not something anyone can just come in and pick up.

[alexdcolon]

He literally advised people to turn their upper bodies as they throw the punch- along with your head. So you aren't looking at your opponent.

Oddly enough, he got knocked out against Jackson for that same bull****.

So far your replies are making sence. Continue.....Let's face it. What Ice-Man was teaching was a vulnerable tech. Bad way to teach someone a strike. POINT BLANK!