For all of you who call Roy Jones Jr Overrated.

[toluco]

And that justifies it how?

he didnt know what he was doing

whatever this isnt about me its about the thread starter switching bandwagons just because of a loss, pretty pathetic imo

[Roger Yomama]

he didnt know what he was doing

whatever this isnt about me its about the thread starter switching bandwagons just because of a loss, pretty pathetic imo

I agree it's not really belonging in here, but that's a bull**** answer and you know it.

[turnpike]

For all of you who call Roy Jones Jr Overrated.
Let me educate you...

Robbed of gold medal in 1988 olympics.


Pro Career

1st 15 Pro fights all won by KO/TKO.

Jorge Vaca
knocked out Jorge Vaca in 1st round. Jones 1st step up in competition in his career. Vaca a former welterweight world champion. TKO'd mark breland in his previous match before Jones.

Jorge Fernando Castro
Jones won a wide UD. 1 judge gave castro 2 rounds. Castro is a former wba middleweight champion. He is 130-11 with 90KO's

Percy Harris
Jones won by TKO in round 4. Harris defeated Thomas Tate for the IBF Inter-Continental middleweight title.

Glenn Wolfe
Jones TKO'd him in the 1st round. Wolfe went the distance with a young James Toney.

Bernard Hopkins
Only Clear defeat of Hopkins whole career. Any other was contraversial. including 2 Split decisions. Only defeat the hopkins admits he feels he truly lost. Jones defeated hopkins for the IBF middleweight title. Jones had an injured right hand in this fight and basicly won the fight 1 handed, watch the fight and you will see how rarely he throws the right. 116-112 on all jufges scorecards. hopkins status as a fighter is self explanatory, I dont need to go into specifics. You all know what he has doen and is still doing.

Thulani Malinga
Jones knocked out Malinga in the 6th round. Completely dominating him the whole fight. Malinga only stopped 3 times in his career. the other 2 were the last 2 fights of his career when he was 44 and 45 yrs old. Malinga lost a split decision to Chris Eubank for the WBO super middleweight title, Malinga was knocked down in the 5th round. Malinga won a split decision against Nigel Benn for the WBC super middleweight title. Lost a split decision to Vincenzo Nardiello. Won a unanimous decision against a prime Undefeated Robin Reid to retain the WBC super middleweight title, Malinga was 42 yrs old in this fight.

Thomas Tate
TKO'd in round 2 by Jons. Went the distance with Hard punching Julian Jackson to lose a 116-111 decision for the wbc middleweight title. Defeated Joseph Kiwanuka who has wins over Segundo Mercado and Glen Johnson. KO'd Merqui Sosa who is known to have a great chin. Lost 2 decisions late in his career to otke, in germany, enough said. At 36 years old he won a split decision against Fulgencio Zuniga and also TKO'd Omar sheika in round 4.

James Toney
Jones moved up from middleweight to defeat Toney for the IBF super middleweight title. Toney was undefeated at the time and arguably the #1 pound for pound fighter at that present time. Jones won a UD 108-119 109-118 110-117. Jones knocked Toney down in round 3. Toney is a world title holder in 3 weight classes. And you all know what he has doen and who he has beat.

Vinny Pazienza
Jones TKO'd pazienza in round 6. there was a round where pazienza didnt land 1 punch. Pazienza is a world champion in 2 wieght classes. has defeated Joseph Kiwanuka at 170lbs. Paz started career at lightweight. defeated roberto duran at 168.

Tony Thornton
Jones won by TKO in round 3. Lost a majority decision to Steve Collins. won a split decisions against Merqui Sosa. Lost a close UD to undefeated chris eubank for the super middleweight title, fight was in the UK. Went distance with toney in 93.

Merqui Sosa
Jones won by TKO against sosa in round 2. Sosa lost a split decision to James Toney in 1991. Sosa was knocked down in this fight and lost a point for low blows. Lost 116-112 decision to Nunn. Sosa won a unanimous decision against Glen Johnson and knocked out Segundo Mercado.

Eric Lucas
Jones won by TKO in round 12. Lucas is a Former WBC super middleweight champion, with 3 defenses. Lost it to Markus beyer in a split decision in Germany.. He knocked out Segundo Mercado. Won Unanimous Decisions against Vinny pazienza and Omar Sheika.

Bryant Brannon
Jones won by TKO in round 2 against brannon. Brannon defeated Eric Lucas.

Mike McCallum
World Champion in 3 Weight Classes. TKO'd and undefeated Julian Jackson in round 2. knocked out donald curry. won a split decision against Sumbu Kalambay. Won a split decision against herol graham. Won a unanimous decision against undefeated steve collins. Had a draw with James Toney in 1991.

Montell Griffin
Jones lost by DQ in 1st fight. fought 5 months later and knocked the undefeated Griffin out in the 1st round. Griffin is a former wbc light heavyweight champion. Won a majority decicion to james toney in 1995, and then a unanamious decision against toney in 1996.

Virgil Hill
Jones won by KO in round 4 with a body shot. Jones only fighter to knock Hill out. Hill a world title holder in 2 weight classes. Hill was succesful in 10 title defenses of his wba light heavywiehgt title before losing a close decision to thomas hearns in 1991. Beat 3 undefeated fighters: Fabrice Tiozzo, Lou Del Valle, and Henry Maske.

Lou Del Valle
Lost wide UD 119-108 to Jones. Lost close decision to Virgil Hill. Del Valle is a former WBA light heavyweight title holder.

Otis Grant
TKO loss to Jones in round 10. Grant a former WBO middleweight title holder.

Reggie Johnson
Jones won a Unanimous decision against Reggie Johnson 120-106 on all cards. Only other losses came by 2 contraversial split decision losses in argentina against Jorge castro, a split decision loss to tarver in 2002, another close UD loss to john david Jackson in argentina, and a split decision loss to James Toney in 1991. Johnson knocked down toney for the 1st time in his career, where he actually looked hurt. Won a majority decision to Steve Collins. And recently at age of 42 he defeated Julio Cesar Gonzalez. All of Johnsons losses were extremely close or contraversial robberies. Jones was only one to completley dominate him. Reggie Johnson a former world title holder in 2 weight classes.

Eric Harding
Defeated Montell Griffin and Antonio Tarver.

Derrick Harmon
Jones won by TKO in round 11. Harmon Won a unanimous decision against Glen Johnson in 2002.

Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Jones beat the undefeated at the time Gonzalez by a wide 119-106 unanimous decision. Gonzalez is a former WBO light heavyweight title holder. Has wins against Joseph Kiwanuka, Glen Johnson, and the undefeted at the time Dariusz Michalczewski. Lost a UD to erdei in Germany. also has a win against Montell Griffin.

Glen Kelly
Jones won by KO 7. Kelly has wins against Sam Soliman and TKO'd John Mugabi.

Clinton Woods
Jones won because woods corner threw towel in 6th round. Jones only fighter to stop Woods. Woods is a former IBF light heavyweight title holder with 5 defenses. has 2 wins over Glen Johnson, a win over Julio Cesar Gonzalez, TKO'd Rico Hoye.

John Ruiz
Jones moved up in weight to defeat John Ruiz in a unanumous decision to win the WBA Heavyweight World Title. Jones weighed 193, Ruiz 226.


Jones Losses

Jones vs. Tarver I & II
Jones regained his old belt by beating Antonio Tarver. Jones looked weak after coming down from heavyweight to light heavyweight losing 25 plus pounds of muscle. Jones won by majority decision, the judges giving him 117-111,116-112 and 114-114.

On May 15, 2004, Jones faced Tarver in a rematch. Jones was heavily favoured to win, but Tarver scored a KO at 1:41 of the second round. Jones had won the first round, but in the second, as Jones tried a combination, he was caught by a big counter-hook left from Tarver. Jones got on his feet by the count, but was unable to continue.

Glen Johnson
Johnson knocked out Jones 49 seconds into the ninth round. Johnson was ahead on all three judges’ scorecards at the time of the knockout (77-75, 77-75, 78-74). Jones clearly not recovered from the KO from Tarver, looked scared the whole fight.

Jones vs Tarver III
After almost a year away from the ring. Clearly not recoevred from to straight brutal KO losses Tarver won by unanimous decision (117-111, 116-112, 116-112)

:

Lets get back on topic here...

I am from the UK and am a big Calzaghe fan...

I don't think any true boxing fan would dispute the greatness of Roy Jones, its impossible if you take the time to watch the fights and look at his record closely as the thread starter has illustrated.

The fact is that Calzaghe beat a much faded Jones and whilst he may have provided Jones with a very good challenge in a great fight 10 years ago, I bet that even the biggest Joe fan would not put their money on Joe coming through with a win. Jones was Calzaghe's idol, his benchmark and the fact that Calzaghe has tried to mimc some of RJJ's style (successfully or not) says it all.

The fact is that the very, very top sportsmen in any sport have always been technically good but the thing that sets them apart is usually some natural attribute/s, which cannot be taught...in RJJ's case, the superhuman reflexes, terrific speed and explosive power...

When all the dust settles, RJJ will be remembered as an ATG by everyone whose final fight was against one of his biggest fans...a fight where he still held his own in the early rounds, displayed some of his old skills and took a top 3 P4P fighter to the final bell...

[Tuggers1986]

for All Of You Who Call Roy Jones Jr Overrated.
Let Me Educate You...

Robbed Of Gold Medal In 1988 Olympics.


pro Career

1st 15 Pro Fights All Won By Ko/tko.

jorge Vaca
Knocked Out Jorge Vaca In 1st Round. Jones 1st Step Up In Competition In His Career. Vaca A Former Welterweight World Champion. Tko'd Mark Breland In His Previous Match Before Jones.

jorge Fernando Castro
Jones Won A Wide Ud. 1 Judge Gave Castro 2 Rounds. Castro Is A Former Wba Middleweight Champion. He Is 130-11 With 90ko's

percy Harris
Jones Won By Tko In Round 4. Harris Defeated Thomas Tate For The Ibf Inter-continental Middleweight Title.

glenn Wolfe
Jones Tko'd Him In The 1st Round. Wolfe Went The Distance With A Young James Toney.

bernard Hopkins
Only Clear Defeat Of Hopkins Whole Career. Any Other Was Contraversial. Including 2 Split Decisions. Only Defeat The Hopkins Admits He Feels He Truly Lost. Jones Defeated Hopkins For The Ibf Middleweight Title. Jones Had An Injured Right Hand In This Fight And Basicly Won The Fight 1 Handed, Watch The Fight And You Will See How Rarely He Throws The Right. 116-112 On All Jufges Scorecards. Hopkins Status As A Fighter Is Self Explanatory, I Dont Need To Go Into Specifics. You All Know What He Has Doen And Is Still Doing.

thulani Malinga
Jones Knocked Out Malinga In The 6th Round. Completely Dominating Him The Whole Fight. Malinga Only Stopped 3 Times In His Career. The Other 2 Were The Last 2 Fights Of His Career When He Was 44 And 45 Yrs Old. Malinga Lost A Split Decision To Chris Eubank For The Wbo Super Middleweight Title, Malinga Was Knocked Down In The 5th Round. Malinga Won A Split Decision Against Nigel Benn For The Wbc Super Middleweight Title. Lost A Split Decision To Vincenzo Nardiello. Won A Unanimous Decision Against A Prime Undefeated Robin Reid To Retain The Wbc Super Middleweight Title, Malinga Was 42 Yrs Old In This Fight.

thomas Tate
Tko'd In Round 2 By Jons. Went The Distance With Hard Punching Julian Jackson To Lose A 116-111 Decision For The Wbc Middleweight Title. Defeated Joseph Kiwanuka Who Has Wins Over Segundo Mercado And Glen Johnson. Ko'd Merqui Sosa Who Is Known To Have A Great Chin. Lost 2 Decisions Late In His Career To Otke, In Germany, Enough Said. At 36 Years Old He Won A Split Decision Against Fulgencio Zuniga And Also Tko'd Omar Sheika In Round 4.

james Toney
Jones Moved Up From Middleweight To Defeat Toney For The Ibf Super Middleweight Title. Toney Was Undefeated At The Time And Arguably The #1 Pound For Pound Fighter At That Present Time. Jones Won A Ud 108-119 109-118 110-117. Jones Knocked Toney Down In Round 3. Toney Is A World Title Holder In 3 Weight Classes. And You All Know What He Has Doen And Who He Has Beat.

vinny Pazienza
Jones Tko'd Pazienza In Round 6. There Was A Round Where Pazienza Didnt Land 1 Punch. Pazienza Is A World Champion In 2 Wieght Classes. Has Defeated Joseph Kiwanuka At 170lbs. Paz Started Career At Lightweight. Defeated Roberto Duran At 168.

tony Thornton
Jones Won By Tko In Round 3. Lost A Majority Decision To Steve Collins. Won A Split Decisions Against Merqui Sosa. Lost A Close Ud To Undefeated Chris Eubank For The Super Middleweight Title, Fight Was In The Uk. Went Distance With Toney In 93.

merqui Sosa
Jones Won By Tko Against Sosa In Round 2. Sosa Lost A Split Decision To James Toney In 1991. Sosa Was Knocked Down In This Fight And Lost A Point For Low Blows. Lost 116-112 Decision To Nunn. Sosa Won A Unanimous Decision Against Glen Johnson And Knocked Out Segundo Mercado.

eric Lucas
Jones Won By Tko In Round 12. Lucas Is A Former Wbc Super Middleweight Champion, With 3 Defenses. Lost It To Markus Beyer In A Split Decision In Germany.. He Knocked Out Segundo Mercado. Won Unanimous Decisions Against Vinny Pazienza And Omar Sheika.

bryant Brannon
Jones Won By Tko In Round 2 Against Brannon. Brannon Defeated Eric Lucas.

mike Mccallum
World Champion In 3 Weight Classes. Tko'd And Undefeated Julian Jackson In Round 2. Knocked Out Donald Curry. Won A Split Decision Against Sumbu Kalambay. Won A Split Decision Against Herol Graham. Won A Unanimous Decision Against Undefeated Steve Collins. Had A Draw With James Toney In 1991.

montell Griffin
Jones Lost By Dq In 1st Fight. Fought 5 Months Later And Knocked The Undefeated Griffin Out In The 1st Round. Griffin Is A Former Wbc Light Heavyweight Champion. Won A Majority Decicion To James Toney In 1995, And Then A Unanamious Decision Against Toney In 1996.

virgil Hill
Jones Won By Ko In Round 4 With A Body Shot. Jones Only Fighter To Knock Hill Out. Hill A World Title Holder In 2 Weight Classes. Hill Was Succesful In 10 Title Defenses Of His Wba Light Heavywiehgt Title Before Losing A Close Decision To Thomas Hearns In 1991. Beat 3 Undefeated Fighters: Fabrice Tiozzo, Lou Del Valle, And Henry Maske.

lou Del Valle
Lost Wide Ud 119-108 To Jones. Lost Close Decision To Virgil Hill. Del Valle Is A Former Wba Light Heavyweight Title Holder.

otis Grant
Tko Loss To Jones In Round 10. Grant A Former Wbo Middleweight Title Holder.

reggie Johnson
Jones Won A Unanimous Decision Against Reggie Johnson 120-106 On All Cards. Only Other Losses Came By 2 Contraversial Split Decision Losses In Argentina Against Jorge Castro, A Split Decision Loss To Tarver In 2002, Another Close Ud Loss To John David Jackson In Argentina, And A Split Decision Loss To James Toney In 1991. Johnson Knocked Down Toney For The 1st Time In His Career, Where He Actually Looked Hurt. Won A Majority Decision To Steve Collins. And Recently At Age Of 42 He Defeated Julio Cesar Gonzalez. All Of Johnsons Losses Were Extremely Close Or Contraversial Robberies. Jones Was Only One To Completley Dominate Him. Reggie Johnson A Former World Title Holder In 2 Weight Classes.

eric Harding
Defeated Montell Griffin And Antonio Tarver.

derrick Harmon
Jones Won By Tko In Round 11. Harmon Won A Unanimous Decision Against Glen Johnson In 2002.

julio Cesar Gonzalez
Jones Beat The Undefeated At The Time Gonzalez By A Wide 119-106 Unanimous Decision. Gonzalez Is A Former Wbo Light Heavyweight Title Holder. Has Wins Against Joseph Kiwanuka, Glen Johnson, And The Undefeted At The Time Dariusz Michalczewski. Lost A Ud To Erdei In Germany. Also Has A Win Against Montell Griffin.

glen Kelly
Jones Won By Ko 7. Kelly Has Wins Against Sam Soliman And Tko'd John Mugabi.

clinton Woods
Jones Won Because Woods Corner Threw Towel In 6th Round. Jones Only Fighter To Stop Woods. Woods Is A Former Ibf Light Heavyweight Title Holder With 5 Defenses. Has 2 Wins Over Glen Johnson, A Win Over Julio Cesar Gonzalez, Tko'd Rico Hoye.

john Ruiz
Jones Moved Up In Weight To Defeat John Ruiz In A Unanumous Decision To Win The Wba Heavyweight World Title. Jones Weighed 193, Ruiz 226.


jones Losses

jones Vs. Tarver I & Ii
Jones Regained His Old Belt By Beating Antonio Tarver. Jones Looked Weak After Coming Down From Heavyweight To Light Heavyweight Losing 25 Plus Pounds Of Muscle. Jones Won By Majority Decision, The Judges Giving Him 117-111,116-112 And 114-114.

On May 15, 2004, Jones Faced Tarver In A Rematch. Jones Was Heavily Favoured To Win, But Tarver Scored A Ko At 1:41 Of The Second Round. Jones Had Won The First Round, But In The Second, As Jones Tried A Combination, He Was Caught By A Big Counter-hook Left From Tarver. Jones Got On His Feet By The Count, But Was Unable To Continue.

glen Johnson
Johnson Knocked Out Jones 49 Seconds Into The Ninth Round. Johnson Was Ahead On All Three Judges’ Scorecards At The Time Of The Knockout (77-75, 77-75, 78-74). Jones Clearly Not Recovered From The Ko From Tarver, Looked Scared The Whole Fight.

jones Vs Tarver Iii
After Almost A Year Away From The Ring. Clearly Not Recoevred From To Straight Brutal Ko Losses Tarver Won By Unanimous Decision (117-111, 116-112, 116-112)

calzaghe
Undefeated Top 3 Pound For Pound Fighter Jones On A Comeback Trail Got A Fight At Nearly Age 40 A Match Against Joe Calzaghe. Jones Looked Good In The 1st Couple Rounds Knocking Down Calzaghe In The 1st Round. Half Way Through The Fight Jones Sustained A Cut That Never Got Any Improvement From Cutman Which Impaired His Vision For The 2nd Half Of The Fight. Not Very Active No Legs, Calzaghe Won A Clear Unanimous Decision.

key Points
jones Became The First Former Middleweight Title Holder To Win A Heavyweight Title In 106 Years. Jones Also Became The First Fighter To Start His Career As A Jr. Middleweight And Win A Heavyweight Title.

before The 1st Fight With Ruiz Jones Lost 10 Rounds At Most In His Whole Career.

former Middleweight World Champion

Former Super Middleweight World Champion

Former Light-heavyweight World Champion

Former Heavyweight World Champion

Pound For Pound King From 1994-2003



most Definetly Not Overrated...

Y'all Must Have Forgot!!!

[Darkstar]

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[lfcdynasty]

For the record, i was joking when i called Jones jr a bum. i love Jones Jr and think he is the most amazing "natural" talent of all-time. To call Jones a bum is just completely ridiculous and disrespectful to his achievements.

But at the same time thats often how ridiculous your guys slating of Calzaghe has become. You cant deny the mans skills, his pedigree, and his achievements. he's up there with the best of them and so is Jones. End of.

[robjr]

why u removed roy jones from ur av and sig?
its it because of his embarrasing performance? or u just like to switch bandwagons? maybe u should change ur username to "the matrix jr"

Dirrell is next fighter I have high hopes for. Not embarrassed about anything. Jones fought half the fight with a huge cut that was never improved by his cutman. what bandwagon? I dont know many dirrell fans at all. Toluco I dont know yer prob is.. take a deep breath son.

This thread alone shows I am and will always be a huge Roy fan.

[Jumpman23]

Great thread mayne...

[C.J.Mak]

Anyone who calls Roy Jones Jr overated clearly slept during the 90's-2003.

I mean he was a great,dominant and phenomenal fighter and I dont think anyone will ever be as dominant as him,Let alone achieve what he has achieved.

Roy Jones Jones Jr was at Light-Heavyweight the most undisputed champion ever in any weight division.
At Light-Heavyweight he held the WBC,WBA,WBF,IBO,IBF,IBA and NABF title belts at the same time.
He's also the only fighter this CENTURY to be Champ from Middle-Heavyweight.A massive achievement.

[Truth]

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an opinion is like an ******* everyones got one.

for every person that say roy was a the man like max kellerman.

"The ones who say he's the best they ever saw are telling you the truth. The ones who are denying it are player-hating," said HBO boxing analyst Max Kellerman, who will call Jones' fight against Joe Calzaghe at Madison Square Garden on Saturday. "I've seen home movies of Sugar Ray Robinson at welterweight. That was the best I ever saw, period. But in my lifetime, Roy Jones was the best I saw."-Kellerman

theres always going to be people who spin it in a different light. its like that with everything.