For all of you who call Roy Jones Jr Overrated.

[robjr]

Loving how can bash a legend like Roy and get so *****hurt when someone bashes Brady.

Thin skinned much?

hahaha truth.

[rocki1]

Jones is a ATG no doubt..

[DiegoFuego]

I'll always remember Roy the way he went out, which might be unfair, but it is what it is.

1. Roughed up by Tarver
2. KO'd by Tarver
3. KO'd by Johnson
4. Scared to engage Tarver
5. Stole our money against Calzaghe

it's sad to think once great fighters like Tyson and Roy ended their careers robbing us of our time and money

[robjr]

I'll always remember Roy the way he went out, which might be unfair, but it is what it is.

1. Roughed up by Tarver
2. KO'd by Tarver
3. KO'd by Johnson
4. Scared to engage Tarver
5. Stole our money against Calzaghe

it's sad to think once great fighters like Tyson and Roy ended their careers robbing us of our time and money

yea its the last impression. But I dont forget what RJJ has done

[Dan...]

I'll always remember Roy the way he went out, which might be unfair, but it is what it is.

1. Roughed up by Tarver
2. KO'd by Tarver
3. KO'd by Johnson
4. Scared to engage Tarver
5. Stole our money against Calzaghe

it's sad to think once great fighters like Tyson and Roy ended their careers robbing us of our time and money

You might but history won't. If that was the case SRR would not be considered one of the best p4p fighters of all time.

[Guest]

I'll always remember Roy the way he went out, which might be unfair, but it is what it is.

1. Roughed up by Tarver
2. KO'd by Tarver
3. KO'd by Johnson
4. Scared to engage Tarver
5. Stole our money against Calzaghe

it's sad to think once great fighters like Tyson and Roy ended their careers robbing us of our time and money

Why doesn't this surprise me?

You're the first to kick someone when he's down.


You're like the hyaena scavenging the kill.

I used to like Roy a lot, he faded but that's pretty good comp he lost to in his later years.

[crold1]

Pound for Pound King from 1994-2003[/I]



Most definetly not overrated...

Jones is only overrated if he's placed top ten all-time. He fell short of that, but considering how tough that is to crack,, nothing wrong with that.

Also, Good post accept for the P4P thing...it was 96-03. Pernell Whitaker was the king of all things fistic in 1994 and Jones 1 really big win (Hopkins was not big AT THE TIME) was not better than schooling Chavez, McGirt and ruling Lightweight...not to metion...ah, hell, this was in my column today:

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=16936

Saving Impressionable Minds From B.S.

It never ceases to amaze me how much history can change with time. Case in point could be found last week in multiple articles hyping/reporting on the lead-in to Joe Calzaghe-Roy Jones. Numerous writers repeated that Roy Jones knocked off a James Toney who in 1994 was the best fighter in the world pound-for-pound.

Um, no, not quite.

There was this other guy running around making guys miss, making them pay, defending the lineal World Welterweight championship after unifying the Lightweight division. Let me see, former Olympian, name is on the tip of my tongue…yeah, not really. This one is easy.

Pernell Whitaker.

Whitaker was actually still enjoying his move to universal acclaim after making a fool out of previous consensus choice Julio Cesar Chavez in 1993. In October 1994, just six weeks before Jones-Toney, Whitaker became one of the last fighters to grace the cover of Sports Illustrated with a headline reading, “The Best.” It honored a masterful rematch victory over the excellent Buddy McGirt and his widely accepted place at the time as Boxing’s overall best.

That is not to say Toney wasn’t catching Whitaker at the time, or didn’t have his backers, but he wasn’t there yet, tossing in uneven performances that played down to his opposition on occasion without even factoring Toney’s 1992 ‘win’ over Dave Tiberi.

Whitaker of course was never caught by Toney and held off Jones for complete recognition as best in the world until a controversial win against Wilfredo Rivera in 1996 marked the beginning of Whitaker’s slide. After all, Jones couldn’t have passed him in 1995. Whitaker was winning a fourth title in a fourth division that year against Julio Cesar Vaquez; Jones was having perhaps the most egregiously matched year of his career against Antoine Byrd, Vinny Pazienza and Tony Thornton.

Seriously.

I don’t know if it became okay to just pretend Whitaker wasn’t there back then, if some folks are just unconsciously repeating a trope they’ve picked up without thinking, or if some just don’t know better. Whatever it is, it bears correction.

Glad to help.

[DiegoFuego]

Roy brought all the criticism on himself the way he fought his last couple of years in the game. Wouldn't even take a risk in the ring when he was way behind on points against Tarver and Calzaghe

[robjr]

Jones is only overrated if he's placed top ten all-time. He fell short of that, but considering how tough that is to crack,, nothing wrong with that.

Also, Good post accept for the P4P thing...it was 96-03. Pernell Whitaker was the king of all things fistic in 1994 and Jones 1 really big win (Hopkins was not big AT THE TIME) was not better than schooling Chavez, McGirt and ruling Lightweight...not to metion...ah, hell, this was in my column today:

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=16936

Saving Impressionable Minds From B.S.

It never ceases to amaze me how much history can change with time. Case in point could be found last week in multiple articles hyping/reporting on the lead-in to Joe Calzaghe-Roy Jones. Numerous writers repeated that Roy Jones knocked off a James Toney who in 1994 was the best fighter in the world pound-for-pound.

Um, no, not quite.

There was this other guy running around making guys miss, making them pay, defending the lineal World Welterweight championship after unifying the Lightweight division. Let me see, former Olympian, name is on the tip of my tongue…yeah, not really. This one is easy.

Pernell Whitaker.

Whitaker was actually still enjoying his move to universal acclaim after making a fool out of previous consensus choice Julio Cesar Chavez in 1993. In October 1994, just six weeks before Jones-Toney, Whitaker became one of the last fighters to grace the cover of Sports Illustrated with a headline reading, “The Best.” It honored a masterful rematch victory over the excellent Buddy McGirt and his widely accepted place at the time as Boxing’s overall best.

That is not to say Toney wasn’t catching Whitaker at the time, or didn’t have his backers, but he wasn’t there yet, tossing in uneven performances that played down to his opposition on occasion without even factoring Toney’s 1992 ‘win’ over Dave Tiberi.

Whitaker of course was never caught by Toney and held off Jones for complete recognition as best in the world until a controversial win against Wilfredo Rivera in 1996 marked the beginning of Whitaker’s slide. After all, Jones couldn’t have passed him in 1995. Whitaker was winning a fourth title in a fourth division that year against Julio Cesar Vaquez; Jones was having perhaps the most egregiously matched year of his career against Antoine Byrd, Vinny Pazienza and Tony Thornton.

Seriously.

I don’t know if it became okay to just pretend Whitaker wasn’t there back then, if some folks are just unconsciously repeating a trope they’ve picked up without thinking, or if some just don’t know better. Whatever it is, it bears correction.

Glad to help.

yea good call. forgot bout sweet pea, 96-03 for roy still gets huge props.

[crold1]

Oh yeah it does. Even with how silly P4P really is, for the world to see you as the best of the sport for more than 2-3 years is special stuff.