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I guess you had to be a fan of the sport when he was in his prime...
Everyone seems to disagree with what I observe, so I don't trust my opinon on Toney, but I will tell you what I see.
A lot of close calls in his 44-0-2 run. A ton of SDs, and 2 draws, a come from way behind win in his best win against Nunn, as well as a bout with Tiberi that I haven't heard a single person say was a good call.
Then he drops to Jones... and then loses twice to a decent at best fighter in Montell Griffin.
He loses a few more at 175 to not great competition.
He has his best win in a while against Jirov at 200.
Then he has a substandard stint at HW so far, highlighted by a win over a shot Holyfield and a reversed win due to steroids against Ruiz.
Again, I want to say that I'm sure I'm wrong in what I see, because no one seems to agree with me, but... being someone who wasn't around when he was doing his thing at 160 and 168, I just don't see what you all see when it comes to the greatness of Toney.Comment
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Thats why i said in my post he could blow hot and cold, but when he turned up in shape he was a very good fighter and don't be too fooled by the Griffin losses they were close fights, and Montell Griffin in his prime was a very good underrated fighter who give a ''prime'' Roy Jones was of his hardest fights and don't be fooled by the rematch he got rid of Eddie Futch for the rematch and the great Futch gave him the tactis for Jones and without for Fucth he just got blew away and Fucth was in his corner fot Toney also.Comment
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count me in, Toney is a great fighter and a Master in his style. Hes also too funny. Sad his 'in shape' days are gone...Comment
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i watched the Tito v Whitaker fight and damn
a while ago i read an article on Whitaker from east side Boxing and the article suggested his losses to Tito and Oscar were debatable
to Oscar yes but a blind man could of scored his fight with Tito it was not remotely close Tito was busting him around the ring with power punches i gave Whitaker 3 roundsComment
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LOL! You just backed up my argument you moron. Holyfield was shot, Griffin was always terrible, got schooled by a sorry ass Sam Peter TWICE, got destroyed by Jones, the Rahman fight was garbage, and struggled against one of the worst heavyweight contenders in Ruiz. What has he done in the last decade that makes you think he's a legend, other than test positive for juicing twice. It seems like you have more of a crush on this guy than actually like him for his skills.Comment
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bah, Holyfield may have been shot, but hes still running around getting title shots nowadays somehow. and so far, Toney is still the only one to have put that bad of a beating on Holyfield.
Griffin was actually not a terrible fighter, he was giving Jones a tough time in their first fight and from what Ive read dropped and gave hell to Eric Harding, who is an underrated fighter himself.
Destroyed by Jones is a joke. he was outspeeded and outboxed, but he was never actually hurt. even the knockdown was because he got caught off balance while screwing around.
the fact that youre trying to bring him down by his heavyweight fights makes me laugh. hes an overweight Middleweight, who was robbed against Sam Peter in their first fight and did not have a hard time at all against Ruiz. He dropped him in round 7 I think and ended up dominating by the end of the fight. you can say what you want about Ruiz, but the fact is that hes still a top fighter even today, and was arguably robbed twice against Valuev.
Toney may not have a 'perfect' career, because he screwed around a lot with his conditioning and everything. and we shouldnt give him extra credit for that. but looking over his career, he beat multiple excellent fighters, whos weights ranged from 160lbs to 240ish lbs. this guy was not your everday sort of fighter, and on his best days he is one of the best fighters of all time.Comment
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im not disagreeing with your point but Grffin was not exactly a bum he just did not have a good chin you dont give Roy Jones fits and beat Toney twice if you dont know how to fight infact it was not for Griffin's ****ty chin he may have beaten Jones legitimately
he is not the best but he was an awkward well skilled technician imo albeit with a glass jawComment
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I guess haters are going to hate, it's what they do.
No amount of verbal nonsense from "know-nothing armchair fighters" is going to keep him out the Hall of Fame.
And on the first balot, no less.
The fact that he'll stroll into the H.O.F. where only a tiny percentage of fighters ever get to, means that those of us who appreciate the fighter are more in line with reality.
James isn't on the bubble of the H.O.F., he's already got his ticket.
I still say that anyone who saw or can watch the fights from his prime, but can still hate, are clueless.
Ask any boxing historian about James in his prime, and they will gush.
His skills and bravado cannot be denied or taken away from.Comment
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