Who would Calzaghe need to beat to be recognized as a great fighter?

[WhoreUs]

Right. That's why this fight must happen. Joe gets my respect if he defeats Ottke in Germany.

another fighter over 40 for joe?

[rizkybizness]

He would need to beat God decisively. Even then, you could make a case that God is past his prime and his skills have deteriorated significatly over the past million years.

[The Hammer]

I'm guessing you didn't watch 24/7? All that plastic surgery on not only her body, but in the close up her face looked like something absolutely hideous. You dig completely unnatural, fake bitches?

Those *******s doing the 24/7 were just saying that about her to degrade Joe Calzaghe.

[Malicious]

Joe is a great fighter, has been for a long time. IMO a HOFer. ATG? That's debatable. He just doesn't have the stellar names on his record that unanimous ATGs have. Like Glen Johnson said himself, "It's hard to get Joe in the ring." If he had been taking on all-comers all these years he's been reigning, there'd be no debate. Fighting once or twice a year against selected opponents casts a shadow of doubt on a claim of ATGness.

[Mozza]

Joe is a great fighter, has been for a long time. IMO a HOFer. ATG? That's debatable. He just doesn't have the stellar names on his record that unanimous ATGs have. Like Glen Johnson said himself, "It's hard to get Joe in the ring." If he had been taking on all-comers all these years he's been reigning, there'd be no debate. Fighting once or twice a year against selected opponents casts a shadow of doubt on a claim of ATGness.

There are very few others he could have fought. Would Glenn Johnson's name have enhanced his record that much?

[Malicious]

There are very few others he could have fought. Would Glenn Johnson's name have enhanced his record that much?

At the time he was champ? Yes. Let's see he could have fought Roy and B-Hop a decade ago, Tarver, Taylor, Winky, Andrade, Mundine, Green, Ottke, etc., etc. All these possible fights would've added to his case (assuming he wins).

[MaYaN_SuN]

I thought the Hopkins fight was it, i was never more amazed at how a fighter can be compltely takin out of his game like Hopkins was, I was personally gassed into thinkin Hopkins was this educated fighter that would make Joe look ******. But instead, Hopkins just got completely worked over, at one point Nard tried to flurry pitty pat toward the end of the fight WHEN HE NEVER DOES THAT. Thats when I knew it was official, he was desperate.

But Hopkins and Roy fans wont be satisfied until Calzaghe loses lol...

[Mozza]

At the time he was champ? Yes. Let's see he could have fought Roy and B-Hop a decade ago, Tarver, Taylor, Winky, Andrade, Mundine, Green, Ottke, etc., etc. All these possible fights would've added to his case (assuming he wins).

Jones was fighting at light-heavyweight when Joe was at super-middle. Jones refused to fight in the UK. Hopkins was fighting at middleweight and agreed to fight Calzaghe before doubling his demands the next day. Tarver fought at a different weight and wasn't on the radar until the fights with Jones. Winky was fighting at light-middleweight until 2005 and then middleweight until last summer. Ottke point blank refused to fight Joe anywhere other than Germany. The other names would not have been acknowledged as good wins.

[jcarr71]

A win over Dawson and a rematch with Hopkins would make it indisputable, but if he were to retire now he'd get the recognition in a few years anyway. I find his career just saddening though. He should have been a superstar on the world scene years ago. He has been that good for a long time. Yet, the Warren safety first matchmaking prevented that from ever happening. I'll always think what could have been more than what actually was with Calzaghe.

[MELLY-MEL...]

no one, he IS a great fighter.