BREAKDOWN Calzaghe v Jones prime 4 prime

[Dynamite Kid]

listen Calzaghe would of given Roy a competitive fight but he would still have lost a clear decision the reason i say that is because i think the styles that give a PRIME Jones the most trouble are cagey Southpaw,counter punchers who use the jab now Calzaghe does have the ability to counter punch and use the jab well BUT he is not cagey enough to beat Jones cause to beat a prime Jones you have to draw leads from him to set him up to land your shots like Montell Griffin and Tarver managed to do cause if you attack a PRIME Jones with workrate he will just pot shot his way to a decision and hit you with some big stuff while you are trying to walk in his front door cause he is that quick

ive never seen the Harding fight but i know Eric Harding is another cagey counter punching Southpaw,Frank Liles is another good tall Southpaw with a very good jab as was Michael Nunn only Nunn was probably not much slower than Jones these are the types of fighters i see Jones having trouble with

and this is the reason id give Calzaghe a good crack but i dont think he would win cause he is not a cagey Southpaw and he does have a good defence like Griffin,Tarver,its just Griffin did not have a chin otherwise he may very well have outpointed Jones you never know

it would of been difficult for a PRIME Tarver to beat Jones so id give Calzaghe less chance given that fact i believe Tarver has the style to beat him

[Dynamite Kid]

the only time Jones looked beatable was when his legs went and he became more stationary target which allowed Tarver,Johnson,Calzaghe to beat on him

when he was moving and has lightening quick reflexes its hard to make a case for either of those fighters allthough id give Tarver the best crack

[Porter's Dad]

Does anyone really not think a prime Jones would have tagged him silly?

He's so open for the counters, it's not even funny. Even RJJ was tagging him solidly the first half of the fight the few times he was letting his punches go.

That's why I don't bracket him in the class of Hopkins, RJJ and Toney. They were much more well rounded- defensive fighters whose offensive skills could be devastating.

Can you imagine them getting countered repeatedly by Robin Reid when they were young?

[Dynamite Kid]

in a way all this hysteria has been generated by the people that got swept along with all the hype and thinking Jones still had it one thing ive learned about Picking fights go with your instincts dont get ****** in with all the hype

so in a way i can undestand why some of the Brits are giving it large those Jones fans that picked Jones to win probably only have themselves to blame over the ******ity of the Calz fans at the moment

[Dynamite Kid]

Does anyone really not think a prime Jones would have tagged him silly?

He's so open for the counters, it's not even funny. Even RJJ was tagging him solidly the first half of the fight the few times he was letting his punches go.

That's why I don't bracket him in the class of Hopkins, RJJ and Toney. They were much more well rounded- defensive fighters whose offensive skills could be devastating.

Can you imagine them getting countered repeatedly by Robin Reid when they were young?

thats always been my point as to why Calzaghe would NEVER beat Hopkins or Jones in thier prime he leaves himself to open


HELL NO Robin Reid was on the level of Sugar Boy Malinga,Nardiello etc

[Porter's Dad]

in a way all this hysteria has been generated by the people that got swept along with all the hype and thinking Jones still had it one thing ive learned about Picking fights go with your instincts dont get ****** in with all the hype

so in a way i can undestand why some of the Brits are giving it large those Jones fans that picked Jones to win probably only have themselves to blame over the ******ity of the Calz fans at the moment

Yes and No.

Yes - in that it was monumentally ****** for the likes of me and others to pick RJJ, when in our hearts, we knew it was a huge ask. I agree, go with your instinct, especially the INITIAL one you have- as you get closer to the fight, nostaliga clouds your mind. I initially thought it was a joke of a fight, and then, sort of convinced myself that maybe Roy's superior ability might carry him through like Hops did against Pavlik. But B-Hop ain't shot - Roy is.

No - The RJJ fans weren't really obnoxious. I think alot of fans felt it was going to be tough. It was not like, say, the Lacy fight, where most genuienly believed Lacy would wipe him out, if you're to believe the Lacy thread floating about.

At the end of the day(!), Calzaghe was gonna get this ATG, p4p#1 bollocks after beating RJJ regardless.

I think they should be ashamed revelling in such a meaningless victory, myself.

[Dynamite Kid]

Yes and No.

Yes - in that it was monumentally ****** for the likes of me and others to pick RJJ, when in our hearts, we knew it was a huge ask. I agree, go with your instinct, especially the INITIAL one you have- as you get closer to the fight, nostaliga clouds your mind. I initially thought it was a joke of a fight, and then, sort of convinced myself that maybe Roy's superior ability might carry him through like Hops did against Pavlik. But B-Hop ain't shot - Roy is.

No - The RJJ fans weren't really obnoxious. I think alot of fans felt it was going to be tough. It was not like, say, the Lacy fight, where most genuienly believed Lacy would wipe him out, if you're to believe the Lacy thread floating about.

At the end of the day(!), Calzaghe was gonna get this ATG, p4p#1 bollocks after beating RJJ regardless.

I think they should be ashamed revelling in such a meaningless victory, myself.

yeah fair play

i would echo that point again always go with your first instincts

[Silencers]

Considering what happened in the first round, I wouldn't be surprised if a prime Jones knocks out a prime Calzaghe, Jones was much more willing to go for the knockout in his prime and he was a much better fighter than what we have seen in the last few years.

[Dynamite Kid]

Considering what happened in the first round, I wouldn't be surprised if a prime Jones knocks out a prime Calzaghe, Jones was much more willing to go for the knockout in his prime and he was a much better fighter than what we have seen in the last few years.

yeah i would not rule it out either

honestly sometimes before a big fight i ALWAYS think of what unexpectedly could happen but probably wont and my thoughts were of Jones knocking Calzaghe out early and when he went down i was thinking OMG

the reason i felt like this was because i did not expect to see Hatton getting Koed by PBF or Calzaghe getting dropped by Hopkins but it happened

i think both Hatton and Calzaghe are not good enough defensively to hang with prime fighters like PBF,Hopkins,Jones etc nothing against them but they are too open defensively imo

[Mojita]

I was one of the people to think Roy had a big chance yesterday. Especially after the first round. He would have tagged Joe silly and KOed him late in their primes. Too much skill, speed power for Joe to handle and you got to counter in the fact in their primes Jones faced WAYYY better opposition than Joe did. point blank. Jones KO Joe in their primes. Everybody KNOWS this