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  • If Calzaghe beats Dawson, B-Hop (again) AND Winky Wright....

    Every great fighter has unrelenting detractors. In Jone's prime, he was UNBEATABLE! I really wish he would of retired after Ruiz, but it was not to be so. Even at that point, Jones had harsh critics for what they believed to be Jones's lack of quality opposition, despite Roy beating BHop, undefeated James Toney, Olympic silver medalist Virgil Hill, undefeated Montell Griffin, Reggie Johnson, WBA Heavyweight Champion John Ruiz, Clinton Woods, Mike McCallum, undefeated Bryant Brannon, undefeated Eric Harding, undefeated Julio Caesar Gonzalez, etc. No matter what he did, it was not good enough for the haters.

    As much as it pains me to see Joe Calzaghe beat my favorite two fighters in the later stages of their careers (even if I scored the Bhop match for Hopkins, it goes down in the books as a 'W' for the Italian Dragon), it seems that the same ridiculous, unattainable standards are now being imposed on Calzaghe. I think the man has proven his greatness.

    I personally think that if Joe retired now, he would eventually be considered an ATG by most boxing writers/critics. If he wasn't considered one immediately upon retiring, after a couple years of letting his resume marinate, people would change their minds (much like how in the years following Lennox's retirement, his absence in what became a faceless heavyweight division allowed his accomplishments to snowball in a way that was favorable to his legacy).

    So, Joe can now retire, or choose to fight on. At this point, there are still some quality, fights that are on the table for Joe that could even further augment his legacy. They could also hurt it if he were to lose, but this risk factor is what makes these fights potentially huge for his legacy, if he were to win.

    A convincing victory over BHop, something that Joe nor anybody else has EVER achieved, would do wonders for erasing those last hints of doubt around his amazing career. Beating the undefeated Chad Dawson would see Calzaghe taking the 0 of yet another hot, young prospect that stands in his way of utter dominance in a new division. Now Winky Wright has called Joe out. He is yet another American legend (if you ask me anyway), a bona fide HOF'er and another amazing name for Joe's resume. If Joe were to tackle one, two, or all three of these formidable foes and win, would the people denouncing Joe's skill finally give him credit?!? I think if he were to take the riskier road, it would put Joe in a position to be considered a serious ATG, top 20 perhaps if he were to beat these threats to his legacy.... your thoughts?

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    By the way, I am not suggesting that I think Calzaghe would beat all of these guys, or even one of these guys. I'm not sure which way I would pick and would have to wait for the details of the proposed fights to unfold (i.e. who, when, where, etc). I am just posing hypothetical scenarios in the context of Joe's legacy and voicing my discontent with ridiculous standards imposed on greats like Joe and Roy who fight for a living, by people who have never fought in their lives... discuss....

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    • #3
      If Calzaghe beats Dawson, Hopkins again and Wright I will chop off my own **** and eat it.

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      • #4
        Doubtful he fights again period, let alone 2 or 3 more big name fighters. Let the haters hate. Joe's done well in his career and unbiased fans know this. I don't like the motha****a but he's a damn good fighter and has proven it already.

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        • #5
          I'd even videotape it and post it here for everyone to see.

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          • #6
            If God came down from the sky and Joe defeated him in the ring, the Calzaghe haters would still say Joe's resume is no good.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tunney View Post
              If God came down from the sky and Joe defeated him in the ring, the Calzaghe haters would still say Joe's resume is no good.
              seeing danny williams come down from the sky would surely be an amazing sight, but joe could never defeat him, so your point is moot!!!!

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              • #8
                I don't think that fighting Wright is worthwhile. Calzaghe was apparently having big problems making 175 this weekend, which would mean Wright coming up even higher in weight, which really wouldn't suit him. I also think that Wright needs to have a win over someone solid before being seen as one of the best in any division, simply because he's been away for so long that we don't know how much he has left.

                As a Calzaghe fan, here is how I see a potential fight with Hopkins: If Calzaghe wins, it will be a close fight and he will not look good. People will say "Calzaghe obviously didn't get better at the age of 37, so therefore the only reason he beat Hopkins by a wider margin is because Hopkins was shot. He is 43/44 now, Calzaghe shouldn't have been fighting him". I base this upon the fact that no-one had a problem with Calzaghe-Hopkins in the build up. No one said that Calzaghe should instead be fighting someone else. But after the fight, suddenly it was a different story.

                I just don't think that Calzaghe would get much credit for beating Hopkins a second time. If it isn't a clear, dominant victory, people will say that it proves nothing more than the first fight. If it is a clear, dominant victory, people will say that the fight went that way only because Hopkins was even older than the first time.

                Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying that he shouldn't fight Hopkins, because of course Hop is still an excellent fighter, but I feel that Zags resume will gain more from a win over Chad.

                Because of this, I think that Dawson is the best possible opponent. A very, very good fighter, a legit light-heavyweight champion, big, strong, fast...and IMO someone who would probably win.

                Considering his age, I think Calzaghe should retire before too long. 3 fights is too many, I think he will have declined quite a bit by that point. How many guys in history had such high workrate at the age of 36-37? Very few. Speed also reduces with age.

                One more fight, in the UK, in front of a crowd 800million chanting Brits, then retirement is the best way to go IMO.

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                • #9
                  Hell why not got the whole hog and get him to fight Pac, DLH, Haye and the klitschko brothers aswell.

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                  • #10
                    I normally agree with you Clegg but I can't there. Dawson is dog****, he damn near lost to Johnson, and he finally beat Tarver. He's severely overrated around here by my estimation. I'd favor Joe and Hopkins both to embarass the pathetic ****.

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