American Excuse makers.

[bsrizpac]

I can name one specific case, no wait make that two.


Joe SD Hopkins
Joe UD Jones




They didn't seem to have a problem taking the fight at this stage of their careers, why do you?

If they were so confident of their abilities to beat the man Joe, why wait untiil 2008?


btw, I couldn't tell you anything about why Joe hasn't fought Johnson. I'm not his manager.

You claimed that you heard on HBO all the time about Calzaghe being mentioned during Roys fights in his prime.

You can't back that up. BIIIIG SHOCK.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Hopkins was fighting at middleweight and I cleared that up...both giving a reason why he stayed as long as he did as well as saying he should have moved up to fight Joe, who himself didn't move up for a long time...it took a former middleweight of 43 years of age to move up.

You see, nobody I know can recall Joe trying to get a fight with Roy in his prime. I ask and ask, but nobody has delievered me the source that says Joe not only called out Roy JOnes, he sent a contract over to Roy's people to make a fight happen.

Joe was fighting at 168, Jones, 175.

and I don't recall any sources saying Roy ever wanted Joe, so what is your point?

Why did Bernard and Roy wait until 2008 to give Joe a fight? Its not like they didn't hold any of the bargaining chips before. Roy was the biggest star outside of DLH.

I don't recall him wanting a fight with Joe, ever.

But I'll ask again,

Why did Bernard and Roy wait until 2008 to give Joe a fight?

lol all these mad ass dudes.

Head to head, in actual matchups, Joe>>>Bernard & Roy.


"bu, but, they weren't in their primes."

[Vasyl’s dad]

You claimed that you heard on HBO all the time about Calzaghe being mentioned during Roys fights in his prime.

You can't back that up. BIIIIG SHOCK.

I did?

Sounds like news to me.


You ever heard of Brenton Wood?


"I think you got your fools mixed up, you must think I'm somebody else".


Get a hold of yourself mija. You've been arguing online so long, you don't even know who you're talking to anymore.

Go eat some food.

[ottoevans]

I thought it was a waste for him to fight Roy Jones. Jones has been washed up for years now. But all these people who gave Roy JOnes a chance are now saying it doesnt mean anything cause he was shot.

Joe is an all time great point blank

[bsrizpac]

I did?

Sounds like news to me.


You ever heard of Brenton Wood?


"I think you got your fools mixed up, you must think I'm somebody else".


Get a hold of yourself mija. You've been arguing online so long, you don't even know who you're talking to anymore.

Go eat some food.

You need serious therapy. Mija? Okay there loser.

Go back to trolling about how awesome Mexicans are. At least that troll is obvious. Tool.

[Vasyl’s dad]

You need serious therapy. Mija? Okay there loser.

Go back to trolling about how awesome Mexicans are. At least that troll is obvious. Tool.

I need serious therapy, yet you're the one putting words in my mouth forgetting who said what.


lol.


Mexicans, awesome

[Benny Leonard]

and I don't recall any sources saying Roy ever wanted Joe, so what is your point?

Why did Bernard and Roy wait until 2008 to give Joe a fight? Its not like they didn't hold any of the bargaining chips before. Roy was the biggest star outside of DLH.

I don't recall him wanting a fight with Joe, ever.

But I'll ask again,

Why did Bernard and Roy wait until 2008 to give Joe a fight?

lol all these mad ass dudes.

Head to head, in actual matchups, Joe>>>Bernard & Roy.


"bu, but, they weren't in their primes."

Because nobody heard of the man. And, Joe was not even in his division.

How about this: Joe Calzaghe avoided me. How come he never fought me?

Roy did it because he needed a fight to establish himself again. Like Roy said, back then, Joe needed Me, Now, I need Joe. Simple.

Hopkins: MONEY.


In the end, the victory over Roy will mean nothing. It will be the same as Marciano beating Louis, Holmes and Berbick beating Ali, Lewis beating Tyson.

Shot is Shot.

He will get credit for being undefeated and having solid victories over Lacy and Kessler.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Because nobody heard of the man. And, Joe was not even in his division.

How about this: Joe Calzaghe avoided me. How come he never fought me?

Roy did it because he needed a fight to establish himself again. Like Roy said, back then, Joe needed Me, Now, I need Joe. Simple.

Hopkins: MONEY.


In the end, the victory over Roy will mean nothing. It will be the same as Marciano beating Louis, Holmes and Berbick beating Ali, Lewis beating Tyson.

Shot is Shot.

He will get credit for being undefeated and having solid victories over Lacy and Kessler.

And, Joe was not even in his division.

So why are you cats so insistent that Joe make the deal with them to get a fight going if they're not in the same division?

[Benny Leonard]

So why are you cats so insistent that Joe make the deal with them to get a fight going if they're not in the same division?

Not me. I never cared until Joe brought it up with his: Everybody avoided me; I'm the best, blah, blah, blah.

When you are in Wales and nobody in America knows you, it's kind of hard to get you a fight...let alone not being in the same division.

And don't tell me fans should know Joe because he was a World Champion:
How many people on the street can name the Heavyweight Champions; amongst other Champions. Especially, those fighters that are the size of jockeys.

[The Hammer]

So why are you cats so insistent that Joe make the deal with them to get a fight going if they're not in the same division?

The Calzaghe haters are irrational people who can't be reasoned with.