Better Legacy: Hopkins or Jones?

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Who's got the better legacy?

WINS

Hopkins

Glenn Johnson- In his prime with a record of 32-0, Hopkins does the impossible and TKO's him in the 11th.

Felix Trinidad- In his prime with a record of 40-0, previously detonated William Joppy, a career Middleweight with a record of 32-1-1, whom Hopkins himself couldn't KO. Hopkins TKO's him in the 12th.

Oscar De La Hoya- Living legend turned ***** in fishnets, with a record of 37-3-0, clearly blown up beyond his natural weight class. Hopkins KO's him in the 9th.

Antonio Tarver- Lineal Light Heavyweight Champion with a record of 24-3-0, the Roy Jones slayer. Hopkins embarasses and outclasses him en route to a 12 round unanimous decision.

Winky Wright- P4P #2 at the time of the fight with a record of 51-3-1. Clearly overblown beyond his natural weight class. Hopkins wins a lopsided UD in an ugly brawl.

Kelly Pavlik- Undefeated knockout artist with a 34-0 record, and reigning Middleweight Champion. Fighting just 4lbs north of the 166lbs limit where he looked good against Taylor in the rematch. Hopkins embarasses and outclasses him en route to a 12 round unanimous decision.

Roy Jones Jr.

Bernard Hopkins - Hopkins has a 21-1 record, and Roy outclasses him en route to a one sided unanimous decision.

James Toney - Toney has a record of 44-0-2 and Jones embarasses him even worse than Hopkins en route to a 12 round unanimous decision.

Montell Griffin - Griffin is 26-0 at the time of the first fight in which Jones was disqualified, in the rematch Jones embarasses him and knocks him out in the first round.

Clinton Woods - Woods is 32-1-0 when Jones TKO's him in the 6th.

John Ruiz - Ruiz is 38-4-1 when Jones UD's him for his Heavyweight title. Though even the most diehard fan could admit that Ruiz was the worst Heavyweight title holder out there.

Anonio Tarver- 21-1-0 when Jones gets a gift split decision.

Felix Trinidad - Years after his retirement Jones gets him out of retirement and fights him at 170 and embarasses him en route to a UD.

LOSSES

Bernard Hopkins

Clinton Mitchell - 0-0-0 in his pro debut SD loss.

Roy Jones Jr. - 21-0-0 in 1993 UD loss.

Jermain Taylor- 23-0-0 in 2005 SD loss.

Jermain Taylor- 24-0-0 in 2005 UD loss.

Joe Calzaghe - 44-0-0 in 2008 SD loss.

Roy Jones Jr.

Montell Griffin - 26-0-0 in 1997 DQ.

Antonio Tarver - 21-2-0 in 2004 2nd round TKO.

Glenn Johnson - 40-9-2 in 2004 9th round KO.

Antonio Tarver - 23-3-0 in 2005 UD.

Joe Calzaghe - 45-0-0 in 2008 UD.


Personally I think Hopkins because his record holds more stand out names, and even his defeats were by razor thin decision margins against Taylor twice, and a highly disputed SD loss to Calzaghe.

Where Jones was knocked cold twice, and completely embarassed by Calzaghe in a fight where he won only the first round.

[Mr. Philadel]

Who's got the better legacy?

WINS

Hopkins

Glenn Johnson- In his prime with a record of 32-0, Hopkins does the impossible and TKO's him in the 11th.

Felix Trinidad- In his prime with a record of 40-0, previously detonated William Joppy, a career Middleweight with a record of 32-1-1, whom Hopkins himself couldn't KO. Hopkins TKO's him in the 12th.

Oscar De La Hoya- Living legend turned ***** in fishnets, with a record of 37-3-0, clearly blown up beyond his natural weight class. Hopkins KO's him in the 9th.

Antonio Tarver- Lineal Light Heavyweight Champion with a record of 24-3-0, the Roy Jones slayer. Hopkins embarasses and outclasses him en route to a 12 round unanimous decision.

Winky Wright- P4P #2 at the time of the fight with a record of 51-3-1. Clearly overblown beyond his natural weight class. Hopkins wins a lopsided UD in an ugly brawl.

Kelly Pavlik- Undefeated knockout artist with a 34-0 record, and reigning Middleweight Champion. Fighting just 4lbs north of the 166lbs limit where he looked good against Taylor in the rematch. Hopkins embarasses and outclasses him en route to a 12 round unanimous decision.

Roy Jones Jr.

Bernard Hopkins - Hopkins has a 21-1 record, and Roy outclasses him en route to a one sided unanimous decision.

James Toney - Toney has a record of 44-0-2 and Jones embarasses him even worse than Hopkins en route to a 12 round unanimous decision.

Montell Griffin - Griffin is 26-0 at the time of the first fight in which Jones was disqualified, in the rematch Jones embarasses him and knocks him out in the first round.

Clinton Woods - Woods is 32-1-0 when Jones TKO's him in the 6th.

John Ruiz - Ruiz is 38-4-1 when Jones UD's him for his Heavyweight title. Though even the most diehard fan could admit that Ruiz was the worst Heavyweight title holder out there.

Anonio Tarver- 21-1-0 when Jones gets a gift split decision.

Felix Trinidad - Years after his retirement Jones gets him out of retirement and fights him at 170 and embarasses him en route to a UD.

LOSSES

Bernard Hopkins

Clinton Mitchell - 0-0-0 in his pro debut SD loss.

Roy Jones Jr. - 21-0-0 in 1993 UD loss.

Jermain Taylor- 23-0-0 in 2005 SD loss.

Jermain Taylor- 24-0-0 in 2005 UD loss.

Joe Calzaghe - 44-0-0 in 2008 SD loss.

Roy Jones Jr.

Montell Griffin - 26-0-0 in 1997 DQ.

Antonio Tarver - 21-2-0 in 2004 2nd round TKO.

Glenn Johnson - 40-9-2 in 2004 9th round KO.

Antonio Tarver - 23-3-0 in 2005 UD.

Joe Calzaghe - 45-0-0 in 2008 UD.


Personally I think Hopkins because his record holds more stand out names, and even his defeats were by razor thin decision margins against Taylor twice, and a highly disputed SD loss to Calzaghe.

Where Jones was knocked cold twice, and completely embarassed by Calzaghe in a fight where he won only the first round.

co-sign .......feel bad for Roy though.

[Flawless 2]

Hopkins will be remembered as the better fighter

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I urge everybody who voices an opinion in this thread to take time to vote in the poll.

I'm not bashing Jones, or praising Hopkins. I honestly want to try to get an accurate poll reading after Roy's embarassing loss to Joe.

[βetamax]

Hopkins though prime-for-prime I would say Jones was the better fighter.

[Randall_Hopkirk]

Hopkins win last month may have tipped the balance in his favour.

[ßringer]

Hopkins though prime-for-prime I would say Jones was the better fighter.

Better how? As in more enertaining?

And what years do you consider to be Hopkins prime? Because I even have a hard time pinning it down myself, though I think it started around 98-99 and ended around '04. But 'Nard seems hell bent on rewriting what "prime" acually means anyway.

[Fulcrum29]

hopkins only has 1 real loss. throw out that 1st fight crap that don't count, the rest were all controversial and i felt hopkins won them all. he beat taylor twice and calzaghe was 50/50 could go either way. Only loss Hopkins truly suffered was to Jones.

As for Jones throw out that dumb Griffin loss that wasn't a loss, Roy basically "lost" for destroying Griffin too hard, if you want to call that a loss then you're a ******. He was destroying him knocked him down and then finished him off and was dq'd for that so whatever that's not a loss. Only losses Jones suffered were the recent ones.
On one hand I want to say Jones accomplished more because of what he did at different weights but what Hopkins did equalizes it so I say they are even.

[daggum]

hopkins if you factor in his proper wins over taylor in the first fight and calzaghe. his defiant attitude cost him greatly.

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hopkins only has 1 real loss. throw out that 1st fight crap that don't count, the rest were all controversial and i felt hopkins won them all. he beat taylor twice and calzaghe was 50/50 could go either way. Only loss Hopkins truly suffered was to Jones.

As for Jones throw out that dumb Griffin loss that wasn't a loss, Roy basically "lost" for destroying Griffin too hard, if you want to call that a loss then you're a ******. He was destroying him knocked him down and then finished him off and was dq'd for that so whatever that's not a loss. Only losses Jones suffered were the recent ones.
On one hand I want to say Jones accomplished more because of what he did at different weights but what Hopkins did equalizes it so I say they are even.

I honestly don't count Bernard's first pro loss or Roy's DQ loss, both were **** and shouldn't really count in terms of discrediting them.

I only listed them because I knew if I omitted them, some ****head would be like "What about the Griffin DQ?".