Okay, I'm off on holiday after yet another correct boxing pick...

[Allucard]

You were right on the pick,but this thread is way distasteful. Being a boxer or a fan, you should pay Jones some respect. He reinvented exciting boxing while Joe was fighting scrubs in his Newbridge backyard. This was nothing like the fight that would have happened in Jones' prime. Believe that.

But now one can argue that. Roy Jones sold out. His legacy is damaged by this. In XXI century's boxing, you not only need skills but you need self respect and a good head. If Jones was European he would retire right after Ruiz and till today be held as the greatest that has ever lived. He would NOT comeback for all the money in the world too. Boxing is different from any other sport in that way, you need to play your cards right. In this case Jones had the better hand but Calzaghe was by far the better poker player. In the future when discussing both careers people will put Calzaghe at least at Jones' level (i don't think he is there but yes, they will do it) when Jones could have retired with that aura of invincibility attached to him. After winning that SD to Tarver he should have retired. Period. Ego and emotions have ruined Jones' ATG status IMO, at least in the eyes of the general public.

[Fenom]

only in boxing is it ok for fans to make fun of a mans bloody face as if this is pro wrestling.

its bull****

no respect.... let one of them mu****as climb in the ring tho

[ßringer]

Roy is greater than Popkins.
Even Calzaghe said it.

based on what? Joe's opinion?

Leave opinion out and look at FACT. History will show that Bernard Hopkins was the greatest fighter of his era.

Roy won more titles in more weight classes but Bernard has a middleweight title defense record that will likely never be beaten, wins over a prime Tito, Oscar, Winky, and pavlik, not to mention he outclassed the guy who beat Jones 3 times in tarver (Everybody knows Roy got a gift decision the first time out), and a lot of experts thought he won the fight with Calzaghe.

On the other hand you got Jones, who while great in his own right, lost to Tarver multiple times, lost to Johnson by KO, a guy Hopkins TKO'd when he was 32-0 in his prime over 10 years ago, and got embarassed by Calzaghe.

[Lord13]

Of course Calzaghe will make more of the opponent he looked most impressive against.

No, you're being negative.
Calzaghe stated the obvious.
Roy is a greater fighter than Popkins, everyone knows that.

[S.G.]

Roy is a greater fighter than Popkins, everyone knows that.

you're confusing talent with greatness

i wouldn't doubt that RJJ prime for prime is the more talented fighter... but his career pales in comparison to B-Hop's frankly

[Chunk..]

I don't care how Roy fans want to slice it. I know they're upset over the Calzaghe loss but facts are facts. Bernard has more stand out names on his record, and even his defeats were by the thinest of margins in split decision losses, never been hurt in over 14 years, never been cut, never been knocked out, dominated the man who dominated Jones 3 times (Tarver), did much better against Calzaghe at 43 than Roy did at 39, etc....

Jones is a legend, and has nothing to be ashamed of but Bernard's persistence and never say die attitude has finally paid off. He's finally laid to rest the ghost of Roy Jones that's been haunting him for the last 15 years.



I pretty much hated Roy until he got KO'd by Tarver and his bandwagoners finally abandoned him. Only recently have I begun to appreciate him as the icon that he is, and I felt pretty damn bad for him last night too. It reminded me of Holmes/Ali.

Am sorry but i don't with that, that's a wound that won't heal as far as am concerned.

Roy holds the cards, Bernard can't deal.

If i was Roy, i would take that win to the grave knowing that i beat Hopkins.

[Lord13]

based on what? Joe's opinion?

Leave opinion out and look at FACT. History will show that Bernard Hopkins was the greatest fighter of his era.

Roy won more titles in more weight classes but Bernard has a middleweight title defense record that will likely never be beaten, wins over a prime Tito, Oscar, Winky, and pavlik, not to mention he outclassed the guy who beat Jones 3 times in tarver (Everybody knows Roy got a gift decision the first time out), and a lot of experts thought he won the fight with Calzaghe.

On the other hand you got Jones, who while great in his own right, lost to Tarver multiple times, lost to Johnson by KO, a guy Hopkins TKO'd when he was 32-0 in his prime over 10 years ago, and got embarassed by Calzaghe.

Roy became the HW champ of the world.
That's greater than anything Popkins has ever done.
Roy's dominance has also been crystal clear throughout his career.
I can't say the same about Popkins who made a name for himself by beating some blown-up welterweights. Popkins also had close decisions against journeymen who could have gone either way.

[ßringer]

Roy became the HW champ of the world.
That's greater than anything Popkins has ever done.
Roy's dominance has also been crystal clear throughout his career.
I can't say the same about Popkins who made a name for himself by beating some blown-up welterweights. Popkins also had close decisions against journeymen who could have gone either way.

Roy became Heavyweight Champion, yes it was a great achievement. But he beat John Ruiz, not Joe Louis.

Oscar and Winky were the only blown up opponets that Hopkins beat.

Tito fit well at 160lbs, he detonated William Joppy (32-1-1, all against Middleweights), a damn good career Middleweight in his own right in 6 rounds, a guy Hopkins himself couldn't finish off in a full 12 rounds.

Tarver was clearly the bigger man, no explanation needed there. Hops went up from 160 to 175 and did something that even Ray Robinson failed to do by becoming the Light Heavyweight Champion of the world, beating the lineral champ who had just KO'd Jones, and then UD'd him after that.

Pavlik fits fine at 170. I say he'll be fighting there as he gets older, his fram is too large to stay at 160 for a prolonged period of time. And he fought Taylor the second time out at 166lbs and looked damn good doing it.

Facts are facts.

Roy got beaten 3 times by a guy Hopkins outclassed in Tarver.

Roy got KO'd by a guy Hopkins TKO'd over 10 years ago in Johnson.

Roy couldn't finish off a completely shot version of Trinidad, a fighter whom Hopkins demolished in his prime 7 years ago.

Roy got ****d by a fighter who many thought Hopkins beat in Calzaghe.

[Lord13]

Roy became Heavyweight Champion, yes it was a great achievement. But he beat John Ruiz, not Joe Louis.

Oscar and Winky were the only blown up opponets that Hopkins beat.

Tito fit well at 160lbs, he detonated William Joppy (32-1-1, all against Middleweights), a damn good career Middleweight in his own right in 6 rounds, a guy Hopkins himself couldn't finish off in a full 12 rounds.

Tarver was clearly the bigger man, no explanation needed there. Hops went up from 160 to 175 and did something that even Ray Robinson failed to do by becoming the Light Heavyweight Champion of the world, beating the lineral champ who had just KO'd Jones, and then UD'd him after that.

Pavlik fits fine at 170. I say he'll be fighting there as he gets older, his fram is too large to stay at 160 for a prolonged period of time. And he fought Taylor the second time out at 166lbs and looked damn good doing it.

Facts are facts.

Roy got beaten 3 times by a guy Hopkins outclassed in Tarver.

Roy got KO'd by a guy Hopkins TKO'd over 10 years ago in Johnson.

Roy couldn't finish off a completely shot version of Trinidad, a fighter whom Hopkins demolished in his prime 7 years ago.

Roy got ****d by a fighter who many thought Hopkins beat in Calzaghe.

First of, that's bogus. Hopkins had nothing to offer. Round 1, whatever. Other than that, Popkins never had Calzaghe in any sort of trouble. And Popkins was trying to cheat in that fight; going down to regain energy, taking forever to come out of the corner, prolonging hugs, delaying ref breaks and all sorts of nasty stuff. It was a shameful performance by Popkins and only a biased judge like that dumb ***** would give the fight to him.

Keep in mind that Roy's reign was 10x more dominant and that's important.
Also, are y'all forgetting that Roy and Popkins did actually fight each other?!
We all know what happened there.

Ask any expert;
Who's got a greater legacy?!
Who's a greater fighter?!
Who will be remembered in the long run?!
They will all tell you the same thing...

[IconBoy]

i'm far from Jones' biggest fan, but am i the only one that found it quite sad last night, especially after he got cut

I kinda felt sorry for him, he shouldn't fight again.