Arthur Abraham's nationality: Armenian or German

[Garo]

Let me repeat myself. He didn't change his name to a "German" name. His birth name, Avetik Abrahamyan, is hard to pronounce, so he changed it to something easier to say. In an interview, he said Arthur Abraham is his "RING-NAME".

Also, here is Arthur's response when he was asked in an interview why he represents Germany and carries the German flag; "Moreover I am bound by a contract and I can't always do what I want to do."

And keep in mind, we are talking about his nationality here. Having a german flag because of some issues in his contract doesn't make his nationality German.

[Lefthookjelly]

He is Armenian lol you think this is a german name? Avetik Abrahamyan

[MELLY-MEL...]

he's german, just like my grandfather is american even though he was born in italy, and now lives in the us.

[MELLY-MEL...]

He is Armenian lol you think this is a german name? Avetik Abrahamyan

so are we going to have a mod check the ip's for proving none of you who constantly flame all the threads about vic, vanes, and aa are not alts? it was your idea, and if you wanna shut me and others up than thats cool with me. if they all come back with no alts i will appoologize, and never say **** about it again!

[Garo]

soviet was a nationality. not anymore because the u.s.s.r. doesn't exist anymore.

nationality is your country.

at the time of arthur's birth , he was a soviet citizen.

armenia was part of the soviet union 'til the early 90's.

when did he move to germany?

one could argue he lived in the soviet union or germany longer than armenia.

Haha. Soviet was NOT a nationality my friend, you are wrong. Plain and simple. Look up the definition for nationality, and read up about the Soviet Union.

USSR was made up of "union republics". Armenian SSR was one of the 15 republics that constituted the Soviet Union. A person's nationality can't be Soviet, there is no such thing. Just because Armenia was part of the Soviet Union, it doesn't mean it stopped existing as a country and as a nationality.

Edit: What's with all this extra arguments and off topic posts?

[MELLY-MEL...]

Haha. Soviet was NOT nationality my friend, you are wrong. Plain and simple. Look up the definition for nationality, and read up about the Soviet Union.

USSR was made up of "union republics". Armenian SSR was one of the 15 republics that constitued the Soviet Union. A person's nationality can't be Soviet, there is nos uch thing. Just becuase Armenia was part of the Soviet Union, it doesn't mean it stopped existing as a country and as a nationality.

thats great, but he gave up being armenian when he became, and resides in germany. now he's a german, who was born in armenia!

[VanesBoxing]

we speak to him regulary... in Armenian that is...

and well, boxing has alot of politics that he must play along with.

His paychecks (in the millions) are signed by a proud German who is well known in Germany for producing a great champion... therefore most of the time the German flag will come before the Armenian.

Arthur's parents still reside in Yerevan, Armenia and goes there pretty much after each and every victory. He is greeted by our President and was honored as a national heroe.

[WhoreUs]

Haha. Soviet was NOT a nationality my friend, you are wrong. Plain and simple. Look up the definition for nationality, and read up about the Soviet Union.

USSR was made up of "union republics". Armenian SSR was one of the 15 republics that constituted the Soviet Union. A person's nationality can't be Soviet, there is no such thing. Just because Armenia was part of the Soviet Union, it doesn't mean it stopped existing as a country and as a nationality.

Edit: What's with all this extra arguments and off topic posts?

the soviet union was a nation. hence soviet was a nationality.

remember the old school soviet leaders encouraged people to look at themselves more as "soviet" than "russian" , "georgian" , "estonian" , etc.

latvia , lithuania , armenia , etc. were not really countries during the soviet union days. you know power was held in moscow. it wasn't 'til 1991 when all the republics got their independence.

[Lefthookjelly]

so are we going to have a mod check the ip's for proving none of you who constantly flame all the threads about vic, vanes, and aa are not alts? it was your idea, and if you wanna shut me and others up than thats cool with me. if they all come back with no alts i will appoologize, and never say **** about it again!

That's fine with me bro. have them check. i am nobody's alt. i just want to have good convos about boxing and not about alts lol i am a new boxing fan (3-4 years max) and these guys (AA, Vic and Vanes) are my fav. fighters and happen to be armenian that brought me into the boxing world. i have been following them for years and like to talk about them. I have other fav. fighters as well. so let the checking begin and after its done, you will know the truth buddy.

[VanesBoxing]

same can be said for VIC and Vanes...

VIC was also born in Armenia and represented Armenia in the 2000 Sydney Olympics.

He then stayed in Australia and made a name there becoming a champ with Aussie trainer Jeff Fenech. He is now and always will be obligated to carry the Australian flag side by side with the Armenian flag, as he does.

Vanes - obviously a US Olympian and having grown up here will always carry the US and Armenian flags hand in hand.