New Ring Ratings: Darchinyan not in top 10 P4P

[Googler]

Rogelio Im still waiting. Who has a better resume than Vic Darchinyan in your opinion?

[ragingvic]

so tell me who should vic replace on the p4p list? williams is a good response but he shouldnt' be on their either.

Well bro you answered the question, so take out williams put him in. In either case im not hell bent convinced that vic shold be in there, but im just saying according to the rules we have used thus far for placing fighters in the p4p, he should also be on. And i dont mean that if you beat a p4p you go in, thats a bull**** rule in my opinion.

[MELLY-MEL...]

Vic has long been regarded as one of the top dudeds in these lower divisons, and he just ktfo the #1 reginingn champ and a p4per. I dont get why everyone is so hell bent on downplaying the lil mans accomplishments. A lot of you guys are making some posters on here to be biased, but you are doing so by biased yourself.

wanna talk biased? if vic was not armenian you would not even have any idea about or nuthug the guy like you do. don't get more biased than that. just stop!

[ragingvic]

to be honest, I dont see how Mijares was rated so high in the first place. no offense to him, but he hadnt even beaten Montiel at that point. how are you going to be rated that high when you stay in one weight class and still havent fought the best in your division?

and you guys have to admit that it would feel weird to rate Darchinyan in the top 10 and leave out Donaire, who badly knocked him out.

putting Paul Williams on I can sort of understand...but they could have at least waited until he beat Verno Phillips.

the rankings are gonna be kind of messy because of the upsets everywhere though.

what do you have to say about the fact that williams beat marg, yet marg was in there before, and is now ranked higher then him on the p4p. Is it right? i dont know, but if marg is in there and pw wasent (previously) then vic should be also.

[Eaner0919]

You can do this with any fighter. These guys were and are still considerd to be among the best in the divison and vic had dominationg wins over them. Not to mention Mijares has long been regarded as the top dawg in the divisona and a p4per. Pacheco and vic was close, but to argue that vic wouldnt ko his ass if it wasnt for the fireworks is reaching for bubbles and that is all your doing here. If you dont like biased posters thats one thing, but to try and downplay vics pretty damw good resume makes you one also.

no not really. TBH Vic's resume isn't really good enough to be considered a top ten p4p guy.

Kirilov was a belt holder whose skills were declining as evidenced by his lackluster performance over Santos and his close "win" over Navarro anyone who knows boxing should be able to see that so while it's a solid win IMO it's not enough to be considered as evidence as to why Vic deserves to be top 10. Kirilov is a boxer with literally no punch and declining skills so in essence he was tailor made for Vic. So while guys like Navarro and Santos (not necessarily big hitters or good enough to capitalize on Kirilov's decline) wont expose this a guy like Vic would feast on it.

Gorres is a homecooked fighter with some decent skills but lacking any decent win you should know this. Ortiz was already dented by the time he faced Z, the Montiel is a travesty and Glenn Donaire is at best a fringe contender

as for Pacheco from what I remember he had Vic reeling a bit in round 8 or am I mistaken? How you could make the leap of faith that Pacheco couldn't continue on with this momentum does show bias on your part and (I looked up the fight) judging from everyone else's take of the fight it was Vic who benefitted greatly from this laspe in time not Pacheco who was coming on.

and Im sorry you got offended by bringing in facts to this equation that downplay you or any of Vic's fans excitement over his win. It is a great win and one to put Vic squarely back into the mix of top fighters. But to make the huge leap in saying he is a legit top ten p4p fighter is just that a huge leap.

no reaching for bubbles or rubles or teletubbies my man just straight facts and reaccountings

what you got next?

[AntonTheMeh]

Hey guys tell me this. Why is Ivan Calderon on the P4P list? Its all boxing politics. You have to pay a subscription fee to hoya for your name to be on the list!!!

BECAUSE HE IS THE DEFINITION OF P4P.because as a light flyweight, he beat a superfeatherweight.thats why.

[Googler]

no not really. TBH Vic's resume isn't really good enough to be considered a top ten p4p guy.

Kirilov was a belt holder whose skills were declining as evidenced by his lackluster performance over Santos and his close "win" over Navarro anyone who knows boxing should be able to see that so while it's a solid win IMO it's not enough to be considered as evidence as to why Vic deserves to be top 10. Kirilov is a boxer with literally no punch and declining skills so in essence he was tailor made for Vic. So while guys like Navarro and Santos (not necessarily big hitters or good enough to capitalize on Kirilov's decline) wont expose this a guy like Vic would feast on it.

Gorres is a homecooked fighter with some decent skills but lacking any decent win you should know this. Ortiz was already dented by the time he faced Z, the Montiel is a travesty and Glenn Donaire is at best a fringe contender

as for Pacheco from what I remember he had Vic reeling a bit in round 8 or am I mistaken? How you could make the leap of faith that Pacheco couldn't continue on with this momentum does show bias on your part and (I looked up the fight) judging from everyone else's take of the fight it was Vic who benefitted greatly from this laspe in time not Pacheco who was coming on.

and Im sorry you got offended by bringing in facts to this equation that downplay you or any of Vic's fans excitement over his win. It is a great win and one to put Vic squarely back into the mix of top fighters. But to make the huge leap in saying he is a legit top ten p4p fighter is just that a huge leap.

no reaching for bubbles or rubles or teletubbies my man just straight facts and reaccountings

what you got next?

OK Earner same question goes to you. Give me 2 fighters in the 120 or lower that has a solid resume better than Vics.

[ragingvic]

no not really. TBH Vic's resume isn't really good enough to be considered a top ten p4p guy.

Kirilov was a belt holder whose skills were declining as evidenced by his lackluster performance over Santos and his close "win" over Navarro anyone who knows boxing should be able to see that so while it's a solid win IMO it's not enough to be considered as evidence as to why Vic deserves to be top 10. Kirilov is a boxer with literally no punch and declining skills so in essence he was tailor made for Vic. So while guys like Navarro and Santos (not necessarily big hitters or good enough to capitalize on Kirilov's decline) wont expose this a guy like Vic would feast on it.

Gorres is a homecooked fighter with some decent skills but lacking any decent win you should know this. Ortiz was already dented by the time he faced Z, the Montiel is a travesty and Glenn Donaire is at best a fringe contender

as for Pacheco from what I remember he had Vic reeling a bit in round 8 or am I mistaken? How you could make the leap of faith that Pacheco couldn't continue on with this momentum does show bias on your part and (I looked up the fight) judging from everyone else's take of the fight it was Vic who benefitted greatly from this laspe in time not Pacheco who was coming on.

and Im sorry you got offended by bringing in facts to this equation that downplay you or any of Vic's fans excitement over his win. It is a great win and one to put Vic squarely back into the mix of top fighters. But to make the huge leap in saying he is a legit top ten p4p fighter is just that a huge leap.

no reaching for bubbles or rubles or teletubbies my man just straight facts and reaccountings

what you got next?

Like i said your reaching. Any fighter can be critciszed the way you have criticised vics opponents and his resume. Any fighter.

[Googler]

BECAUSE HE IS THE DEFINITION OF P4P.because as a light flyweight, he beat a superfeatherweight.thats why.

Who was the super featherweight he beat? what was his name?

[ACHlLLES]

As I expected, The Ring ratings left Vic Darchinyan out of the top 10 P4P rankings, even though he defeated the #7 P4P fighter Cristian Mijares.

Instead, they just moved several people up one spot to replace Mijares, and added American fighter Paul Williams. The people voting on the rankings are virtually all Americans.

http://www.thering-online.com/ringpages/ratings2.html

I think Vic, who now has three world titles, deserved at least that #10 spot more than Paul Williams, who hasn't had a win over a good fighter except for his controversially close decision over Antonio Margarito.

What was so controversial about his win?