What's so wrong w/ Joe staying at 168 for the majority of his career?

[goldenglove2]

I think it is impressive, Joe was the man at that weight and everybody knew it, for 10 years. They briefly forgot and thought Lacy might be the best but after about 18 seconds of that fight they found out that wasn't true. Then there was Kessler a double world champion and people thought he might be the best but he wasn't the best either. Joe was.

He stayed there and proved he was the best 168 pounder beyond dispute for 10 years...and he slaps like a girl and is a euro f.ag.

what the heck??

[sparked_85]

what the heck??

It's the common consensus.

[bsrizpac]

Isnt that what Hopkins did AT MW and he is considered great? Joe actually cleaned out 168 then moved up and won the LHW championship. I think US fans like myself are too hard on Joe. The guy is UNDERRATED.

168 has historically been a weak division. And a young one.

Would we be having this same discussion if someone did this at cruiser?

[goldenglove2]

168 has historically been a weak division. And a young one.

Would we be having this same discussion if someone did this at cruiser?

would you say Hopkins competition at 160 was deeper ?

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

Calzaghe won all 4 belts and the Ring belt at SMW.

After doing this he moved up to LHW and won the Ring belt.

I don't care how weak your division is, to accomplish this UNDEFEATED is incredible.

Name me one other modern day fighter who has achieved this?

[goldenglove2]

Calzaghe won all 4 belts and the Ring belt at SMW.

After doing this he moved up to LHW and won the Ring belt.

I don't care how weak your division is, to accomplish this UNDEFEATED is incredible.

Name me one other modern day fighter who has achieved this?

I agree. Joe is undderrated.

[bsrizpac]

would you say Hopkins competition at 160 was deeper ?

Jesus christ. Did I mention Hopkins?

Man I'm so tired of Joe's fans. Stick to the subject. Stop comparing him to Hopkins.

Overall Hopkins career was better. His competition at middle was okay, at least he fought Roy Jones even if he lost. Also historically Middle has not been a ****ty division. Just saying.

[hookoutofhell]

Jesus christ. Did I mention Hopkins?

Man I'm so tired of Joe's fans. Stick to the subject. Stop comparing him to Hopkins.

Overall Hopkins career was better. His competition at middle was okay, at least he fought Roy Jones even if he lost. Also historically Middle has not been a ****ty division. Just saying.

people compare champions man!!!! thats what happens DLh will constanly be compared to SRL, david haye to holyfield, thats what fans do.

one thig that really gets me is how hopkins title defenses are seen to be more valid, more weiht is given to them when joe faced competion that was equal or arguably even better. are the likes of brewer, mitchell, lacy, kessler, sheika and robin reid really that much worse than echols, jackson, keith holmes, william joppy, robert allen and tito?

im not a statistics person but id be willling to bet that if you took the 5 best defenses of calzaghes career and compared them to bernards theyd be just as good as each other.
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[bsrizpac]

people compare champions man!!!! thats what happens DLh will constanly be compared to SRL, david haye to holyfield, thats what fans do.

one thig that really gets me is how hopkins title defenses are seen to be more valid, more weiht is given to them when joe faced competion that was equal or arguably even better. are the likes of brewer, mitchell, lacy, kessler, sheika and robin reid really that much worse than echols, jackson, keith holmes, william joppy, robert allen and tito?

im not a statistics person but id be willling to bet that if you took the 5 best defenses of calzaghes career and compared them to bernards theyd be just as good as each other.

Okay whatever. Once again this was about Calzaghe not Bernard. Historically Middle has been much better than Super Middle. Period. So again fighting in that division will always give you more perceived value.

let's take a look at a few of these:

Mitchell: Basically a KO ready to happen when Joe fought him. You can check out ring issues at the time, everyone was predicting that he'd lose his title within the year. Shockingly he was KOed by Joe.

Tito: Big knock on him was that he wasn't a true welterweight and had no power coming up. Tito blasted out William Joppy who wasn't the best fighter ever but a top flight middle and had never been destroyed the way tito took him out. Hopkins destroyed him. I've seen Joe fans say that's cause Hopkins was bigger. If you watch the fight, Hopkins fights from the outside and at no point does his size become a factor. At all.

You can compare Tito to Lacy in that both were undefeated wrecking machine challengers. Obviously the knock on lacy is that he always ****** and fought no one coming up but he was a true supermiddle so you have to give credit to that. In the end, Tito is a better win. Tito is a HOF Jeff Lacy is not. And yes Tito would have been good at middle before HOpkins destroyed his will.

Jackson was garbage at middle. This was just a defense for Hopkins. Exciting fighter but nothing else.

Sheika is comparable to jackson. good durable fighter who never had a big win. Ever. Always came up short.

Roy Jones Jr.- Obviously fighting him at any point in your career is better than anything Joe faced, win or lose.

Again we can do this kind of stuff all day. Who cares?

Doesn't change the emptiness of SMW other than Joe and Roy/Toney's pit stops there.

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

Can anybody name me another fighter who won all 5 belts at one weight then stepped up and won the ring belt at a higher weight, all whilst remaining undefeated?