Roy Jones Jr. Talks Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe, Johnson

[edgarg]

Do you actually believe that or are you around to get a rise out of people? If Roy told you the sky was green you would believe it. How was the Tarver that beat Roy light years ahead of the one Hopkins beat when it was only 8 months later numb nuts? Was the Pavlik that KO'D Taylor light years ahead of the one Hopkins beat to?

And I forgot to say, that what I was mainly talking about was NOT only chronological time, but the guy himself. Just close your eyes and visualize Jones PRE that grit-it-out- fight with Tarver, which many after the fight thought Tarver had won, and compare his performances "post" with his performances "pre".

The actual time elapsed although important in an aging fighter's life and performance, was mainly incidental. I checked that first, and it was enough, but......chalk and cheese,...or oranges (sweet) and lemons (sour)...

[fightnews55]

Tarver - Jones II - May 15, 2004.
Tarver - Hopkins - June 10, 2006.

Eight months?

If you're referring to Tarver-Jones III, then that's your second mistake, since I don't think anyone in the world of boxing would try to judge either of those fighters on that fight.

The truth is, the Tarver that knocked out Jones would have embarrassed the Tarver that fought Hopkins.

And as for the Hopkins-Toney argument. Toney was a much better and more accomplished fighter when they fought. Just because Roy dominated it more than against Hopkins doesn't mean that Hopkins was a tougher fight. There was not a single minute of Jones-Hopkins where the outcome was in doubt. B-Hop may have won a few rounds, but he got dominated. As did Toney. It's a worthless argument as to who was better, since neither of them stood a chance.

And for the record, Roy was no more in his prime than Hopkins was. More mature as a figher, yes -- but no closer to his prime. Young Roy dominated Hopkins; prime Roy would have dominated every fighter alive at the time; and old Roy vs. Hopkins is virtually meaningless, but if Roy beats Calzaghe, he'll beat Hopkins again. If he loses to Joe, B-Hop probably beats him.

So what you moron. The Tarver that fought Roy kicked his ass everytime. He Knocked him out with a punch he threw with his eyes closed. Then he kicked his ass for 13 rounds. Then eight months later Hopkins mopped the floor with him. Tarver couldn't beat Hopkins on his best day.Did you even see Hopkins-Jones? He didn't get dominated. It was the worst, most boring fight in history where neither one of them could land a decent punch. In fact the most action in the fight happened in the last four rounds when Hopkins started to figure him out and take it to him. That's why Roy never wanted the rematch and came up with the arm excuse. The first of many excuses he's made over the years.

[krl72]

So what you moron. The Tarver that fought Roy kicked his ass everytime. He Knocked him out with a punch he threw with his eyes closed. Then he kicked his ass for 13 rounds. Then eight months later Hopkins mopped the floor with him. Tarver couldn't beat Hopkins on his best day.Did you even see Hopkins-Jones? He didn't get dominated. It was the worst, most boring fight in history where neither one of them could land a decent punch. In fact the most action in the fight happened in the last four rounds when Hopkins started to figure him out and take it to him. That's why Roy never wanted the rematch and came up with the arm excuse. The first of many excuses he's made over the years.

Something like that.

It might be true that Tarver would never beat Hopkins, but the point is that the Tarver that tried was a shadow of the Tarver that beat Jones.

And believe it or not, I have seen the Hopkins-Jones fight. Several times. And not one of those times did Hopkins almost win.

And if you think that Tarver "kicked his ass" in the first fight with Jones, then I got no use arguing with you, as you're clearly an idiot. He did well, and it was a close fight, but got completely outboxed down the stretch. And that was the drained Jones, after the Ruiz fight.

[mistermartin]

I just had a quick look at Boxrec. Between the Tarver KO and the Johnson fight, where he just stood around mostly, and took it, was 4 months. This was ridiculous even for a guy who HADN'T lost 25 lbs of muscle within the year.

All I hear from in your argument is reasons why Roy lost or performed poorly. None of those were controversial. They were decisive L's. Regardless of weight loss issues or not. He is the one who decided to go up in class. & he is the one wh made the decision to drop back down in weight & take fights. I hear the old Roy fought w/ one hand when he beat Bernard 15 years ago. So if super roy could fight & win through that handicap why would weight issues excuse him from being knocked out. The truth is they Do not. Roy is a superbly skilled athelete. His only flawsa were that he fought weak opposition. & That he fought for safety in a business of "hurt" .That cought up to him & proved that he wasn't battle-tested. He has now adapted his style to absorb more punishment but he's older now & less commited to taking tat punishment.

Bernard hopkins has bloomed further & further as he's aged. It can be very strongly argued that the last three losses were very controversial & politically driven by individuals on the outside making the decision for when it was time for him to pass the guard & leave the sport. & that's the truth. There's no way that after a 10 yr reign @ middle wieght anyone can say JT did enough to take the champion's belts. Same goes for calzaghe. Bernard made joe look like a club fghter. If joe throws roughly 1000-1100 punches in a fight why did he only throw 600 in the hopkins fight. Hopkins controlled the fight & made te fight go how he wanted it to go.... & he dropped him... & was the champion. That loss was hopkins "white boy" comment coming back to bite him....

But the bottom line is look at the last 7 0r eight fighters faced by jones hopkins or calzaghe & tell me who's fought the better level of competition....

It's very plain to see who is better.

[Chase8400]

He also seems to forget that James Toney did the exact same thing only better.

I guess I'm the only one on here wondering how Toney did the same thing better than Jones?

1)He was beat by Jones? Does that just not matter? LOL

2)Jones was technically undefeated when winning the HW title.

3)Toney never really got the HW title due to DQ.

4)Jones beat Ruiz way worse than Toney did.

[fightnews55]

Something like that.

It might be true that Tarver would never beat Hopkins, but the point is that the Tarver that tried was a shadow of the Tarver that beat Jones.

And believe it or not, I have seen the Hopkins-Jones fight. Several times. And not one of those times did Hopkins almost win.

And if you think that Tarver "kicked his ass" in the first fight with Jones, then I got no use arguing with you, as you're clearly an idiot. He did well, and it was a close fight, but got completely outboxed down the stretch. And that was the drained Jones, after the Ruiz fight.

He kicked his ass in the 3rd fight and that was only 8 months before Hopkins kicked his butt.