Why was Tito blown up, yet Hopkins isn't?

[Kris Silver]

Why is it Tito Trinidad was completely blown up so a meaningless win, yet other guys like Hopkins aren't blown up but good-great wins?

OK Tito fought at welter weight predominantly earlier in his career, but not towards the end, he too was at MW like Hopkins. Gaining weight, and fighting at higher weight classes over time is natural and quite common. So why is it it's so exaggerated and taken out of context with Tito but not so much others?

Hopkins fought Winky at 160, came back 6 months later at 175 to face Tarver. Surely fighting so suddenly at a different weight class and so old leaves him as open to this being undermined as just blown up? Tito also came from 160, and had more time to naturally be around such a weight. Look at Toney, he fought at MW and worked his way up to HW. Few say he's a blown up MW, and he did great things. I won't even mention Roy Jones.

OK Tito was out of the ring for 2 and a half years and that's also a factor, but then plenty have done that ok too and it's not used to undermine someone so much. Take Vitali Klitschko. No one was completely undermining him for a couple of years out of the ring, yet they do also on this aspect for Tito.

He didn't perform to badly against Roy Jones all considered, he was another great fighter whom put on a good performance all considered. He's not the blown up, old, ring rusty and nothing win many seem to make out for some reason, especially considering there's other guys and scenario's out there receiving those criticisms to much less of a degree.

Thoughts?

[Ryn0]

Why is it Tito Trinidad was completely blown up so a meaningless win, yet other guys like Hopkins aren't blown up but good-great wins?

OK Tito fought at welter weight predominantly earlier in his career, but not towards the end, he too was at MW like Hopkins. Gaining weight, and fighting at higher weight classes over time is natural and quite common. So why is it it's so exaggerated and taken out of context with Tito but not so much others?

Hopkins fought Winky at 160, came back 6 months later at 175 to face Tarver. Surely fighting so suddenly at a different weight class and so old leaves him as open to this being undermined as just blown up? Tito also came from 160, and had more time to naturally be around such a weight. Look at Toney, he fought at MW and worked his way up to HW. Few say he's a blown up MW, and he did great things. I won't even mention Roy Jones.

OK Tito was out of the ring for 2 and a half years and that's also a factor, but then plenty have done that ok too and it's not used to undermine someone so much. Take Vitali Klitschko. No one was completely undermining him for a couple of years out of the ring, yet they do also on this aspect for Tito.

He didn't perform to badly against Roy Jones all considered, he was another great fighter whom put on a good performance all considered. He's not the blown up, old, ring rusty and nothing win many seem to make out for some reason, especially considering the other guys and scenario's out there receiving those criticisms to much less of a degree.

Thoughts?

Hopkins fought Winky at 170 (i think it was a catchweight) after Tarver...

[Jupiter Maximus]

Because Bernard "The Terror" Hopkins started his career as a LHW and went down to MW to dominate as "The Executioner".


He is a atural LHW...the guy just has crazy work ethics and always was at or near his MW weight.

[AntonTheMeh]

Why is it Tito Trinidad was completely blown up so a meaningless win, yet other guys like Hopkins aren't blown up but good-great wins?

OK Tito fought at welter weight predominantly earlier in his career, but not towards the end, he too was at MW like Hopkins. Gaining weight, and fighting at higher weight classes over time is natural and quite common. So why is it it's so exaggerated and taken out of context with Tito but not so much others?

Hopkins fought Winky at 160, came back 6 months later at 175 to face Tarver. Surely fighting so suddenly at a different weight class and so old leaves him as open to this being undermined as just blown up? Tito also came from 160, and had more time to naturally be around such a weight. Look at Toney, he fought at MW and worked his way up to HW. Few say he's a blown up MW, and he did great things. I won't even mention Roy Jones.

OK Tito was out of the ring for 2 and a half years and that's also a factor, but then plenty have done that ok too and it's not used to undermine someone so much. Take Vitali Klitschko. No one was completely undermining him for a couple of years out of the ring, yet they do also on this aspect for Tito.

He didn't perform to badly against Roy Jones all considered, he was another great fighter whom put on a good performance all considered. He's not the blown up, old, ring rusty and nothing win many seem to make out for some reason, especially considering there's other guys and scenario's out there receiving those criticisms to much less of a degree.

Thoughts?

besides being out of his element, tito he was coming of a layoff.

[Kris Silver]

Hopkins fought Winky at 170 (i think it was a catchweight) after Tarver...

Well that's later.

Doesn't change the fact he went from 160 to 175 in his next fight, in a shorter time period. 15 lbs in 6 months, and older.

Tito went from 160 to 170, so less of a gain at 10 lbs over a longer period of time where his body would be more naturally used to the weight. Yet he's the one totally blown up?

There's a clear disparity and double standard there.

[The Hammer]

Bernard Hopkins first fight was at light heavyweight. He's a big, thickly-built man - I think it's his natural weight.

Trinidad is a natural welterweight.

[OTSS]

Bernard Hopkins first fight was at light heavyweight. He's a big, thickly-built man - I think it's his natural weight.

Trinidad is a natural welterweight.

Just because he had one fight there does not make it his "natural weight".

For all we know he could've not trained as hard at light-heavyweight.

If it wasnt natural for him, BHop wouldnt have stayed at 160 until he was over 40.

[Kris Silver]

Bernard Hopkins first fight was at light heavyweight. He's a big, thickly-built man - I think it's his natural weight.

Trinidad is a natural welterweight.

Well perhaps another factor yes. But if the guys are healthy at the weight, their healthy. Tito had been above welter weight, above 150 since 2000, so could he even get down to welterweight and be as healthy? Whose to really say, he was at higher weights as time went on, and still had some good wins at LMW and MW.

Against Hops in 2001, and Winky in 2005 he performed pretty good at 160, no one claimed he was merely a blown up shot welterweight then, like they do now.

It seems very exaggerated is all I'm saying.

[Dynamite Kid]

this is guy is a fanboy look at this joke thread trying to discredit Hopkins to make his bum chum lover look good

[Kris Silver]

this is guy is a fanboy look at this joke thread trying to discredit Hopkins to make his bum chum lover look good

Why would I try to discredit Hopkins, when my so called bum chum just beat him? Good logic Terrible. Demonstrating your very lucid train of thought there.