The Reason I don't think Darchinyan can beat Nonito Donaire...

[Mr. Ryan]

Forget Darchinyan, Mijares vs Donaire in 09.

I have a feeling they are on a crash course if Donaire gets through Jorge Arce.

[STEELHEAD]

Here is the list, and I'll go through each reason individually.



1. Footwork
2. Size
3. Intangibles
4. Speed
5. Accuracy


1) Footwork. After reviewing the first fight, I understand why Donaire was able to take advantage of the footwork. Darchinyan comes forward very flat-footed, slowly and Donaire was able to change the distance whenever Darchinyan threatened to make a move. He can feint, get Darchinyan off balance and then attack. Darchinyan was not able to get a measure of Donaire in the fight at all.

Against Kirilov, there was no movement, just walking straight back and forth and getting hit with impunity. Kirilov fought the perfect fight to get the living daylights beaten out of him by Darchinyan.

2) Size. Donaire was much bigger than Darchinyan and the increase in weight to 115 pounds will reflect that. Add that to the list of technical disadvantages and Darchinyan is in a hole already. Darchinyan is noted for his power and against Donaire, he has a disadvantage.

3) Intangibles. The first fight can only bring Donaire confidence and Darchinyan a lack thereof.

4) Speed. And this goes back to the footwork. Donaire is on his toes, can move around. Darchinyan has pick his feet up and plod into range and by the time he's in range there's a jab, a right hand and a hook waiting to greet him.

5) Accuracy. Donaire has better snap and throws straighter punches. With the distance and range changing with every half-step and feint of Darchinyan, he doesn't know where to throw and his wider shots will not reach Donaire as often as Donaire's will reach him.

My theory is that Vic Darchinyan is ill-equipped to beat Nonito Donaire.

Thoughts and Comments?

darcy had it easy against the midgetano kirilov.
but a possible intangible will be if darchinyan does what he says against mijares. he'says we're going to see a new fighter in him. i think he means he's goxing to try to actually box and use defense.
but when has a boxer said that and actually followed thru?
gatti comes to mind. after his ward beat downs ithink he fought angel manfreddy or someone and actually show more.

[Mr. Ryan]

darcy had it easy against the midgetano kirilov.
but a possible intangible will be if darchinyan does what he says against mijares. he'says we're going to see a new fighter in him. i think he means he's goxing to try to actually box and use defense.
but when has a boxer said that and actually followed thru?
gatti comes to mind.

I was impressed against Kirilov, but Kirilov didn't do himself any favors by not knowing which way to circle a southpaw. Kirilov also was coming off of a bad showing in a draw during the previous fight.

If Darchinyan finds a way to beat Mijares, which I don't think will happen, then everything changes. I personally don't think Darchinyan can fight a conventional fight but who knows, right?

[Fox McCloud]

I had a feeling you were 100% right before tonight, and now I'm not 100% sure.

The only thing I think I can help myself convince myself that Donaire wins again is that Darchinyan seemed a lot more open to left hooks when he came in than he did against straight lefts or right hooks.

Perhaps Darchinyan is bad against orthodox fighters?

[Googler]

Hey AsianSensation,

You opened the floor for discussion. I want to hear you comments on tonights fight. What do you think since you were so sure Vic wouldnt be able to win tonight...?

[MaYaN_SuN]

Yeah there's no way Vic ever gets by Donaire.

Donaire had Vic's style timed from round 1 of their first fight. Vic reaches with that sloppy style and Donaire just unloads and out points Vic at will.

[loui_ludwig]

In a remtach Nonito beats Vic.

[LondonRingRules]

Well, some feel he would beat Donaire in a rematch but I feel differently. I thought I'd outline it and if someone has a refutation, I'd engage them in a debate.

I agree about Darchinyan losing tonight, the same kind of one-sided action we saw in the Arce fight will ensue because of the technical flaws. Darchinyan is the kind of fighter who gets a lot of things afforded his way because of his popularity, similar to Arce, but against styles like Donaire and Mijares, he will always come up short. Darchinyan is too predictable and inaccurate, he will have a lot of trouble landing on Mijares, maybe moreso than he did against Donaire.

** Looks more like you will predictably come up short rather than Vic "always" coming up short.

Might have wanted to read Graham Houston's analysis of this fight. He understood perfectly the style match up and had no problem making Mijares the favorite, and just as little problem picking Darchinyan to beat him.

I use Houston as he's well respected and tends to follow the same lines of logic and analysis that I use, so it's telling the few times I may disagree with him.

The best fighter can always have an off day, and most assuredly the best fighter is never guaranteed a win, even on his best day in a sport where one punch changes everything. See the Big John Tate/Weaver title bout to verify.

Like Poppy against Pavlik, Vic had to have his best fight ever to whip Mijares who was taken out of his game early when he was flattened in the 1st round. Vic is one of the most awkwardly dangerous pressure type fighters I've ever seen who is dismissed by the usual fanboy type writers that pick Mijares to win because they don't understand that it ain't just a skills contest. We could hold a beauty contest before the fight and Mijares wins hands down and you do like the purty ones don't ya?

In the ring come fight night, it's about who can really fight and who's timing is gonna be better, and who can adjust best, and unfortunately, who gets the breaks from the refs and judges, ie politics.

So, kid, glad you got your Fillipino heroes to boost your self esteem, but you still gots a lot to learn about boxing, though you may be at your peak as a fanboy....

[toluco]

damn dont u get tired of being wrong?