I think now's the right time to make this thread as..

[Porter's Dad]

...I sit here on this freezing toilet in this freezing bathroom, where my only hope of increasing my warmth level is through a typing frenzy on my keyboard.

Here goes...

OK, it's axiomatic that the higher up the weight classes you go, the greater the power the fighters possess. So does this mean that the higher up the weight classes you go, the better chin people have? I mean, if they're having to deal with greater power, then surely they must have a better chin?

I mean, you hear people saying Pac can't take true JMW power (De La Hoya), and Paul Williams couldn't take true Middleweight power (Pavlik).

So is there a correlation between chin and size?

I mean, lets take David Haye as an example....a supposedly chinny Cruiserweight/HW. But what if Haye was, let's, say, a middleweight. Would his chin be world class? I mean, he can take a CW punch better than, say, a Pavlik, who has a pretty good chin for Middleweight.

When people say that Haye is chinny, is it simply for his weight class(es)? Or would he still be chinny at MW? I mean, surely not.

Btw, I know weight draining would become a factor (and I'm just using Haye as an example, Wlad Owns)

But yeah, what I'm trying to say is....is there a correlation between size and chin quality?

Is it unfair to call people like Haye and Hide chinny, when they could probably take a punch better than people like Erik Morales and McClullough (iron chinned fighters).

I know this possibly might be the most ******ed thread of all time, but it just got me thinking...

Am I making sense here?

[Piggu]

Ah! I was gonna name myself Keyzer Soze but it bugged me that I'm too ****ty on the computer to put an umlaut over the "o".

[Porter's Dad]

Ah! I was gonna name myself Keyzer Soze but it bugged me that I'm too ****ty on the computer to put an umlaut over the "o".

I ain't give a **** about that. Tbh, I don't particularly love the name, it's just one I've used from the start of my internet forum days, and I've become a somewhat legendary figure on a couple of non-boxing forums, so I couldn't use anything else.

Anyway, back O/T.

Anyone got anything to add, possibly?

[BrooklynBomber]

...I sit here on this freezing toilet in this freezing bathroom, where my only hope of increasing my warmth level is through a typing frenzy on my keyboard.

Here goes...

OK, it's axiomatic that the higher up the weight classes you go, the greater the power the fighters possess. So does this mean that the higher up the weight classes you go, the better chin people have? I mean, if they're having to deal with greater power, then surely they must have a better chin?

I mean, you hear people saying Pac can't take true JMW power (De La Hoya), and Paul Williams couldn't take true Middleweight power (Pavlik).

So is there a correlation between chin and size?

I mean, lets take David Haye as an example....a supposedly chinny Cruiserweight/HW. But what if Haye was, let's, say, a middleweight. Would his chin be world class? I mean, he can take a CW punch better than, say, a Pavlik, who has a pretty good chin for Middleweight.

When people say that Haye is chinny, is it simply for his weight class(es)? Or would he still be chinny at MW? I mean, surely not.

Btw, I know weight draining would become a factor (and I'm just using Haye as an example, Wlad Owns)

But yeah, what I'm trying to say is....is there a correlation between size and chin quality?

Is it unfair to call people like Haye and Hide chinny, when they could probably take a punch better than people like Erik Morales and McClullough (iron chinned fighters).

I know this possibly might be the most ******ed thread of all time, but it just got me thinking...

Am I making sense here?

Yes and no, this topic was covered here a lot some time ago.
Lets just put it this way, the power goes up to a much higher degree then the strength of the chin.
Thats why, essentially, HW boxing is a sport of it's own with it's own rules and limitations that are not applied at lower weights.

[Porter's Dad]

Yes and no, this topic was covered here a lot some time ago.
Lets just put it this way, the power goes up to a much higher degree then the strength of the chin.
Thats why, essentially, HW boxing is a sport of it's own with it's own rules and limitations that are not applied at lower weights.

Good stuff. Thanks man, I wasn't sure if I was making sense.

But it still makes me think- if the power goes up to a higher extent that chin endurance, then shouldn't we give the likes of Haye, Bruno and Moorer more credit, rather than calling them chinny, while we label the Morales and McCulloughs iron-chinned for taking punches from much lighter punchers?

This is just me rambling on, I have no definite answers, input and insight much appreciated

[BrooklynBomber]

Good stuff. Thanks man, I wasn't sure if I was making sense.

But it still makes me think- if the power goes up to a higher extent that chin endurance, then shouldn't we give the likes of Haye, Bruno and Moorer more credit, rather than calling them chinny, while we label the Morales and McCulloughs iron-chinned for taking punches from much lighter punchers?

This is just me rambling on, I have no definite answers, input and insight much appreciated

Well, the logic would not deny that.
Lighter weight divisions, in reality, are much less skilled form of boxing(for many reasons, but mainly because they can get away with things bigger guys cant) and the bigger fighters ARE supposed to get more credit. It is really a thing of last 10 or so years where lighter divisions were glamorized as "more skilled" mainly because the majority of boxing fans know **** all about the actual boxing.

[sitai]

then again bigger fighters (heavyweights) tend to get away with stuff like leaning on each other for half of every round

[BrooklynBomber]

then again bigger fighters (heavyweights) tend to get away with stuff like leaning on each other for half of every round

You are exagerating, but it does not really disprove any of what I said, lower weight boxing is much less skilled, because it is much less demanding. It provokes much less analyzing, because lower weight guys just have way too many second chances.

You can compare lower weight guys with high school level fencing vs japanese swordfighting, which has no remorse for mistakes.

[KingTito]

I've wondered that too. Is a chin a chin? I mean, can Margarito take a HW shot better than Wlad? That may sound ******, but I've wondered that also. Do HW's have better chins than anyone else?

[Porter's Dad]

I've wondered that too. Is a chin a chin? I mean, can Margarito take a HW shot better than Wlad? That may sound ******, but I've wondered that also. Do HW's have better chins than anyone else?

Exactly, that's the scenario I've been running through my head. Margs has an amazing chin- but he did get rocked by Santos, so I doubt he could take HW power.

But then, isn't it kinda odd how Margs is revered for his chin, and Wlad is slaughtered for his? I mean, the disparity in power they're taking is so huge....

As for Brooklyn Bomber- interesting points, man. But I can't see how being more cautious equates to the fighters from the higher weight classes having more skill.

Maybe it's hard to see that because of the dearth of world class talent in the HW, for instance.

I dunno. Interesting stuff.