(Corrected Poll) Would BHOP and ROY go through Calzaghe's record undefeated?!?

[βetamax]

Kessler might be a little faster than Pavlik but that's it. He can't fight going backwards, he hardly throws anything besides a 1-2, and he's physically and perhaps mentally weak. This is a guy who was hurt by Calzaghe...not from accumulation, but from a couple punches.

So yes, Hopkins and Jones take care of Kessler.

[Pullcounter]

I fixed the poll. Could they?!?

yes both could.

[Kris Silver]

So you think Calzaghe-Jones will be pretty close whilst Roy would have no chance against a guy that Calzaghe made look silly? How does that work dude? And Bernard teaches Kessler a lesson.

I was exaggerating I'll admit to make the point that people weren't considering Kessler enough or the current state of the guys. I've heard people say Kessler would give them close fights, the other poll was evens for a bit but this one too many have quickly ticked yes on both without thought for what most consider close fights with Kessler.

I'm not sure about saying Roy would be just dandy had he followed Joe's resume either as who really knows. I'm not denying he wouldn't get by all of those guys but I think he still would start to slip and lose motivation, who knows how he'd be, probably not worse but not as better as it might be easy to think, being ideal.

I'd predict Kessler over Roy now 116-112 (Joe 117-110) and a close fight for Hopkins, but Nard winning about 115-112.

[Dan...]

I was exaggerating I'll admit to make the point that people weren't considering Kessler enough or the current state of the guys. I've heard people say Kessler would give them close fights, the other poll was evens for a bit but this one too many have quickly ticked yes on both without thought for what most consider close fights with Kessler.

I'm not sure about saying Roy would be just dandy had he followed Joe's resume either as who really knows. I'm not denying he wouldn't get by all of those guys but I think he still would start to slip and lose motivation, who knows how he'd be, probably not worse but not as better as it might be easy to think, being ideal.

I'd predict Kessler over Roy now 116-112 (Joe 117-110) and a close fight for Hopkins, but Nard winning about 115-112.

To be honest I have a hard time picking Kessler over any top guy right now simply because he has never beaten anyone close to elite and the one elite guy he has been in against he just looked totally lost. BUt on the balance of probabilities Roy probably doesn't have enough left to beat Kessler. I would definately pick Bernard to beat Mikkel though.

Of course there are always unknowns and nobody really knows how much going to HW and back contributed to Roy's decline, but on the balance of probabilities I certainly think it is correct to say that Roy would most likely go through Joe's resume undefeated, at the least until the BHop fight.

[hookoutofhell]

kess and eubank would beat b-hop, b-hop imo would deffo lose to eubank, actually i think the fight with a 36 year old b-hop and yesteryears kess would be really interesting. in fact i think that b-hop might just edge it out, although then again everytime he has come against an elite fighter who is own size b-hop hasn't done that well (with the exception of tarver). besides kess is a beast and probably has more power than most of what hopkins has faced before. then again kess is very mechanical and b-hop at 36/37 is in his prime more or less and would exploit kess's predictability. yeah id say b-hop would lose to eubank but not kess.

i think RJJ at 37 would lose to a Hopkins - Hopkins would time him right and keep the fight on the inside, it wouldn't be pretty but i see hopkins winning.

so i see both fighters suffering one loss each, b-hop to eubank and RJJ to hopkins.
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[Pugilistic™]

Again both fighters would.

[Kris Silver]

To be honest I have a hard time picking Kessler over any top guy right now simply because he has never beaten anyone close to elite and the one elite guy he has been in against he just looked totally lost. BUt on the balance of probabilities Roy probably doesn't have enough left to beat Kessler. I would definately pick Bernard to beat Mikkel though.

Of course there are always unknowns and nobody really knows how much going to HW and back contributed to Roy's decline, but on the balance of probabilities I certainly think it is correct to say that Roy would most likely go through Joe's resume undefeated, at the least until the BHop fight.

I feel your pain on the Kessler front but in fight or in polls Kessler would probably be favoured over Roy Jones like we both think, so already the poll is not factoring that in really. Even if it was close you'd have a healthy portion of people favouring Kessler so the stats here are inflated and misleading imo.

As for Roy facing Hopkins he'd probably lose that yes. So rather than factor that in and negatively effect him, let's do it to not favour Joe. So lets instead take that resume entry out of the equation, that's what a lot have also clearly done, because most favour Hopkins over Roy.

[Randall_Hopkirk]

The Roy of 2007 doesn't beat Kessler.

[crold1]

How many eilte guys are there really though? Kessler performed better against Joe than some elite fighters like Tito or Winky did with BHop and no one questioned their place as elite fighters. beating a bunch of really good comp, which Kessler has, and dominating it is often a clue. It's a shame we live in this era; at a better time, fighters like Kessler, Joe, BHop etc. could have had series of fights instead of one-offs. Hell, if Gene Tunney had been judged based on the first Greb fight, he would have never gone on to beat Greb a bunch of times after taking an ass whooping.

[Dan...]

I feel your pain on the Kessler front but in fight or in polls Kessler would probably be favoured over Roy Jones like we both think, so already the poll is not factoring that in really. Even if it was close you'd have a healthy portion of people favouring Kessler so the stats here are inflated and misleading imo.

As for Roy facing Hopkins he'd probably lose that yes. So rather than factor that in and negatively effect him, let's do it to not favour Joe. So lets instead take that resume entry out of the equation, that's what a lot have also clearly done, because most favour Hopkins over Roy.

Yeah but you see you cannot take Roy as he is now and put him against Kessler, say he would probably lose and therefore the people voting yes are wrong. Do you see why? Joe never went to heavy, Joe never fought Tarver. THis is the path Roy would have taken. He would (most likely) have been in much better shape to fight Kessler than would have been the case given what he had experienced in his career in the preceding years. That is the issue. You take Roy, put him in Joe's place right since the early 90s and see how he goes. I say he definately does not lose until BHop, and even then he could probably win that one too.