Roy Jones Jr. Switches Up, Considers Hopkins Rematch

[Kris Silver]

I like the way Roy says he won't face him and gets no criticism for laming out like that (most others would get criticised). Then within a week Roy's saying he will fight him if the moneys right. Even then most others, and others have been heavily criticised for contradicting themselves in such a way, also for just being in it for the money. And by the way I'm not really laying into Roy that much myself here. Just pointing out it's very hypocritical to be fair.

And yes, you know who I'm talking about.

[Chunk..]

I like the way Roy says he won't face him and gets no criticism for laming out like that (most others would get criticised). Then within a week Roy's saying he will fight him if the moneys right. Even then most others, and others have been heavily criticised for contradicting themselves in such a way, also for just being in it for the money. And by the way I'm not really laying into Roy that much myself here. Just pointing out it's very hypocritical to be fair.

And yes, you know who I'm talking about.

Roy gets special compensation. It's like giving up your seat to a OAP on the bus.

[WESS]

I like the way Roy says he won't face him and gets no criticism for laming out like that (most others would get criticised). Then within a week Roy's saying he will fight him if the moneys right. Even then most others, and others have been heavily criticised for contradicting themselves in such a way, also for just being in it for the money. And by the way I'm not really laying into Roy that much myself here. Just pointing out it's very hypocritical to be fair.

And yes, you know who I'm talking about.

haha I knew it was coming! Well personally I knew this fight had/has a pretty could chance on happening. It all depends on Hop, will he accept 60-40? Winner taking the bigger cut. I think the demand will be big, especially if Roy looks good in his Nov 8th fight.

Overall, Roy has an excuse on this one. 15 years this fight has been talked about. I'm sure you would be annoyed too. I know what your saying and I understand where your coming from. I just think Roy might be hyping it up without looking like he's putting to much thought into Hop right now. Can you imagine the **** talking if this fight were to happen? The HBO 24/7 series? Man, the money will be there, its all on Hop to take the 60-40 deal which is fair EVEN if Roy were to lose to Joe. That's pretty fair to me. If HOP thinks he can WIN he should take it and settle the score. SO both men can retire.....

good post, I knew if anyone would say anything you would!
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[Mr. Philadel]

You underestimate Roy's experience and discount his ability in terms of being crafty. As for chins, Roy's ass did get caught....twice, no doubt about it and it made him gun shy. Bhop doesnt pose the same danger.

Thats not true B-Hop's power is one of the most underrated parts of his game.

[Dan...]

NO NO NO!!!

Hopkins is just as fast as Roy now. He has aged much better and fought much better opponents over the last few years.
Just look at how Jones and Hopkins did against Trinidad.

Jones is very chinney, and Hopkins was able to hurt both Calzaghe and Pavlik.
Hopkins is a vastly different fighter now than the guy Jones beat back in 93. And even then Jones didnt hurt Hopkins.

Hopkins has adapted his style with age, Jones has got KTFO twice.

If you are talking about hand speed then you got some serious problems there.

Roy still has some of the fastest hands in the game. Legs and reflexes may be gone but you could never question the man's hand speed.

Bernard's hand speed isn't close to Jones'. The topic is not open for debate.

[EL ANIMAL]

I Luv The Idea.. If There Is Any Fight I Wanna See Next Year It Would Be This One Hands Down, **** The Age Factor I Wanna See This Fight!!!! Hopefully All Animosity Can Lead To A Instant Classic!!!! My Fingers Are Crossed Now!!

[Dan...]

I like the way Roy says he won't face him and gets no criticism for laming out like that (most others would get criticised). Then within a week Roy's saying he will fight him if the moneys right. Even then most others, and others have been heavily criticised for contradicting themselves in such a way, also for just being in it for the money. And by the way I'm not really laying into Roy that much myself here. Just pointing out it's very hypocritical to be fair.

And yes, you know who I'm talking about.

I think Roy just gets frustrated cos BHop has ****ed him around for a decade or so.

His interview in the ring after the Hanshaw fight is an example of this. He goes out of his way to say how he wants to fight anyone at 175 or 168 with the exception of Hopkins because he is sick of him messing him around.

Bottom line, Hopkins has never wanted a rematch with Roy until the last couple of years. Why? He knew he would get his ass whooped.

[Kris Silver]

haha I knew it was coming! Well personally I knew this fight had/has a pretty could chance on happening. It all depends on Hop, will he accept 60-40? Winner taking the bigger cut. I think the demand will be big, especially if Roy looks good in his Nov 8th fight.

Overall, Roy has an excuse on this one. 15 years this fight has been talked about. I'm sure you would be annoyed too. I know what your saying and I understand where your coming from. I just think Roy might be hyping it up without looking like he's putting to much thought into Hop right now. Can you imagine the **** talking if this fight were to happen? The HBO 24/7 series? Man, the money will be there, its all on Hop to take the 60-40 deal which is fair EVEN if Roy were to lose to Joe. That's pretty fair to me. If HOP thinks he can WIN he should take it and settle the score. SO both men can retire.....

good post, I knew if anyone would say anything you would!
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Hehe, well if it's expected then that's essentially saying you do realise a double standard and won't mention it until someone else does.

-Calzaghe says he won't fight someone later exposed - he's a wimp, a thread a week saying this.
-Jones says he won't face someone - no problem, no threads.

-Calzaghe says he won't re match Hopkins whom he just beat - wimp, you'd lose.
-Jones says he won't re match Hopkins whom he beat 15 years ago in a more logical bigger re match- Ah well, nemmind.

-Calzaghe changes his mind on an opponent over months of events and changes - He's a lying wimp with many endless threads drilling on about it.
-Jones changes his mind inside of a week - not mentioned.

-Calzaghe says he finally wants some big pay days as he's not had many before and has earned them - he's not in for the sport.
-Jones says he'll take a fight if the deal is right even though he's in way less need of the big money - that's fine Roy, everyone's the same.


And it's what all Calzaghe fans whom are biased some like to make out? Sorry, but this just underlines that's not so and if anything more so the contrary. There's been numerous debates and rows criticsing Joe on all these points yet others are as guilty very often, and we don't see loads of threads on that.

I won't cos I don't hate like some people do. And that's what it comes down to. Still, I'll be picking people up where I see fit. Anyone says things like no point facing an old Hopkins now, or don't do it for money, wimp not to re match, what a contradiction Joe, folk are right to point out double standards.

[WESS]

Hehe, well if it's expected then that's essentially saying you do realise a double standard and won't mention it until someone else does.

-Calzaghe says he won't fight someone later exposed - he's a wimp, a thread a week saying this.
-Jones says he won't face someone - no problem, no threads.

-Calzaghe says he won't re match Hopkins whom he just beat - wimp, you'd lose.
-Jones says he won't re match Hopkins whom he beat 15 years ago in a more logical bigger re match- Ah well, nemmind.

-Calzaghe changes his mind on an opponent over months of events and changes - He's a lying wimp with many endless threads drilling on about it.
-Jones changes his mind inside of a week - not mentioned.

-Calzaghe says he finally wants some big pay days as he's not had many before and has earned them - he's not in for the sport.
-Jones says he'll take a fight if the deal is right even though he's in way less need of the big money - that's fine Roy, everyone's the same.


And it's what all Calzaghe fans whom are biased some like to make out? Sorry, but this just underlines that's not so and if anything more so the contrary. There's been numerous debates and rows criticsing Joe on all these points yet others are as guilty very often, and we don't see loads of threads on that.

I won't cos I don't hate like some people do. And that's what it comes down to. Still, I'll be picking people up where I see fit. Anyone says things like no point facing an old Hopkins now, or don't do it for money, wimp not to re match, what a contradiction Joe, folk are right to point out double standards.

No I understand ya. But the big difference here with Roy is he has wanted the rematch, HOP just wont take the 60-40 split and after 15 years of arguing lol one must understand the hate and frustration between the two. Calzaghe as we have seen is an easier man to do business with.

Jones is hard headed and Hop is just as bad if not worse. So you can understand why these two never fought. Contradiction on my part? No, I don't think so. Its been 15 years of arguing for this rematch. I can't speak on others though. Joe chooses "NOT" to rematch because he said "I DO NOT DO REMATCHES". Jones on the other hand has given many opportunities over the 15 year span to rematch. Negotiations always stopped them. Point is, Jones encouraged the rematches, Joe just says "I don't do rematches" big difference. But I can still see your point. I'm just saying I don't feel like I'm constricting myself about it. Different situation. Anyway this is still a good argument for Joe and I understand where your coming from.

Contradicting? No......
**** talker?....Some what lol......but I would agree with ya!

[Brassangel]

NO NO NO!!!

Hopkins is just as fast as Roy now. He has aged much better and fought much better opponents over the last few years.
Just look at how Jones and Hopkins did against Trinidad.

Jones is very chinney, and Hopkins was able to hurt both Calzaghe and Pavlik.
Hopkins is a vastly different fighter now than the guy Jones beat back in 93. And even then Jones didnt hurt Hopkins.

Hopkins has adapted his style with age, Jones has got KTFO twice.

Jones had to shed 30 pounds to come down from heavyweight and keep it off. Oh yeah, and he was a guy who relied on speed and athleticism who turned 35 years old. That's suicide. It's his own fault it happened, but had he taken more time to recouperate, or fought them before jumping up to heavy, he beats them 10/10 times.

Roy got knocked out by Tarver and Glen Johnson. He also got beat outboxed and beat up in a 3rd Tarver fight. Roy looks great against ****ty guys now, but he would be to afraid to pull the trigger against a guy like Hopkins. A prime Roy yeah, he already showed that, but Roy isnt Superman anymore.

The 3rd Tarver fight was a little bit of trigger-shyness. We already saw him beat Tarver in the 1st fight, so we knew it was possible. Again, had he not treated his body so poorly by making such a drastic jump in weight, he ends those fights the unquestioned victor.

You underestimate Roy's experience and discount his ability in terms of being crafty. As for chins, Roy's ass did get caught....twice, no doubt about it and it made him gun shy. Bhop doesnt pose the same danger.

Again with the real reasons for the KO's, see above. A chin is also something that can't entirely be trained, so we can hardly hold it against him. Had his overall health and conditioning been better rested, he wouldn't have gotten caught so carelessly.

Hopkins wasn't the same guy when they first met, true; but had they rematched sooner, Jones would have demolished him, because he got better following that contest. He was almost unbeatable at 168 and 175. He never should have jumped to heavyweight, as impressive a feat as it was.

People have diminished Jones' legacy based on two circumstantial KO's. He's still the greatest of this generation, with Hopkins right behind him.

I wager a rematch will be boring, with Hopkins hugging, Jones only punching in flashes, and then a SD where one of the fighters feels robbed.