Hopkins vs Calzaghe II - Who Wins (poll)

[Kris Silver]

Delusion would generally be if you see something that other people don't see but as you pointed out, a whole lot of people saw it as a Hopkins victory, including 1 of the 3 official judges.

Delusion may be an exaggeration I accept, but lots of people see things different at times, it doesn't make them right. 2 judges score cards were fairly comfortable in Calzaghes favour, whilst the one for Hopkins was by one point. All it would have taken was that one judge scoring one close round differently, i.e Nard landing one less shot, and you have a UD. So not only a decision as close to UD without being one, most even disagree with the one judge whom scored it by the narrowest of margins for Nard.

Most people do not think Hopkins won, especially most within the boxing world whom have no allegiances to either side. Most also feel a re match wouldn't be that different.

That's the overall view, and one can't change that. For a fair while after the win many said it wasn't a meaningful great win as Hopkins is shot. Now all of a sudden he's just become un shot, and more believe he'd win a re match. That's border line delusion and thinking he can perform against Calzaghe, in the same way he did a COMPLETELY different boxer, Pavlik.

[mellow_mood]

joe will outwork him again!!

[MoneyMay]

Jesus Christ I can't believe some opinions.

Even when/if he beats Jones and very unlikely at this stage actually takes the rematch then, what you think he's gonna go in there with the same mental plan as he did at the start of there first fight?

He's been in the ring with Hopkins before and this time he knows that Bernard will try anything to suceed, more headbutts ect...

Calzaghe landed more punches on Hopkins than anyone else, the same couldn't be said for Kelly who probably landed the least (going all 12 rounds), Bernard was aggressive because he needed to be against Pavlik and he needed to dominate rounds and make Pavlik think twice about punching, and thats what happened.

Joe wins rematch by a couple if not alot more points than the first.

[.Mik.]

If Hopkins can do this, If Hopkins can do that.

He didnt CHOOSE not to do this last time you know? Everyone says that Hopkins has a spoilering style, that he doesnt let his opponents get off, that he stifles them. Its true. Calzaghe also imposes his style on his opponents, his offense neutralizes theirs. Hopkins beat Pavlik because he is faster and a better boxer, Pavlik is slow and doesnt have the skills or the wisdom to adapt when his straight lines arent working. Calzaghe beat Hopkins because he's faster, busier and he adapts to his opponents. When Calzaghe was getting beaten in the first 3 rounds, he adapted to Hopkins' style and realistically it wasnt even close for the rest of the fight. Hopkins didnt come forward more, didnt attack more because he wasnt given the opportunity to do so. He didnt decide to himself "Meh, I'll hang back, not risk myself, the first 3 rounds will win it for me". He wasnt ABLE to come forward and attack more because Joe pegged him back and chased him down. Calzaghe adapted and won. If they were to fight again, nothing will change other than Hopkins being older and Joe already knowing what to expect. It would simply be a clearer margin of victory for Joe. Calzaghe is not Pavlik. Hopkins is great, but like Hatton vs Mayweather, he might be able to beat Joe, but it would be a 1 out 0f 10 thing and it wouldnt likely be his lucky day.

[S A M U R A I]

Calzaghe would win, more decisivly then the previous bout because he has him figured out already.

Agree with this.



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[dans]

I think Hopkins would be much more aggressive and would try and hurt Joe early. I know it doesn't sound like Hopkins, but I think he could actually KO Joe. He knows he wouldn't be able to win with his defense because Calzaghe throws so much, so he'd rough Calzaghe up and try and hurt him. I think Calzaghe would come in over confident and blow it.

[S A M U R A I]

If Hopkins could be more agressive and come forward more i think he could beat Calzaghe.

if hopkins throws combinations I think he could KO calzaghe.

Interesting. I see it the other way. If Bernard fought Joe with the game plan he brought to Pavlik, Joe would have an easier time. In the first fight, with Bernard mostly relying on throwing a single shot and then rushing forward with his head, Joe was having a problem because he expected to be butted constantly. He did get butted a lot, but respect to Joe, he didn't complain once. If Bernard fought with less of a fouling style Joe would be able to make more of a fight of it.

Regardless, Joe figured out the way to fight Hops in the first fight, it took 4 rounds to turn the fight around.



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[KingTito]

B-hop!!!!!!!!