Hopkins vs Calzaghe II - Who Wins (poll)

[ophqui]

same as the first one, hopkins wins

[Chunk..]

Well Hopkins showed the world that he still has what it takes to be in the ring. He proved everyone wrong.

He still wouldn't win the rematch because he hasn't get the stamina to keep up with Calzaghe's workrate and output.

Workrate is Calzaghe's biggest asset, i don't care what anyone says. He said his 'workrate' will see him through against Roy Jones. He's like a Duracell bunny.

[Kris Silver]

He hasn't thrown 500+ punches in a long time, I don't think Pavlik's style really influenced his workrate and stamina, I mean Pavlik's style gave Hopkins more openings but he wouldn't have been able to take advantage of those openings had his stamina and workrate been as bad as it has been in the past couple of years, I actually believe him when he said he has been playing it safe because of his age.

His speed was also much better in the fight, maybe that was because of how slow Pavlik was but I don't think I've seen Hopkins' handspeed look that quick in a while.

Honestly, I think if Hopkins is able to do what he did in the first fight with Calzaghe but just more, meaning more combinations, more countershots, more of everything basically, he could win. Although it would be close, their styles would always make for close fights but I give him much more of a chance at winning than I did before.

Of course, I could be wrong and we could see Calzaghe just overwhelm him again down the stretch like he did in April, we won't know unless the fight actually happens, I doubt it happens though.

It seems like your saying if he could just work more then the last time he'd win, which is just wishful thinking more than anything else. He didn't, couldn't, and wouldn't to any significant degree. Like I said, Hopkins is a clever guy and gives it his best shot, come on stop looking on him too favourably as if he could take the best from the Calzaghe fight performance, and the best from the Pavlik fight and win.

That doesn't happen, like I said numerous things such as Hopkins pace as defence could not and would not be allowed in a fight with Calzaghe. These are just two key things that lead to him tiring more than in fights before post 40, or a fight after against Kelly. He was pretty quick at the start hence knocking Joe down. Calzaghe was sussing his style, being resilient to it, enforcing his own pace and style which tired Hopkins more than usual or we've otherwise seen. He's done that with other young guys as well.

Calzaghe would not let anything go any different and worse than he did in the first fight. He was dropped, under rated Hopkins tactics, took a few rounds to adapt in the process losing those rounds, and had to work his arse off to force his own fight. Battheman is also right in saying a more aggressive Hops suites Calzaghe, because Joe does notoriously prefer that as history has shown. That was Hopkins best shot and at nicking it and he came close but didn't quite make it. I think I answered and explained anything else in my previous post so I've not got much more I can say really.

[runningbeast666]

This fight has a chance of being made but so could Jones vs Hopkins, depending on the Jones vs Calzaghe bout.. The split decision loss against Calzaghe becomes more questionable with Hopkins domination of Pavlik. Hopkins was simply unlucky for the decision to not go his way and, in contrast, Calzaghe was lucky to win. It was a very close fight which is deserving of a rematch.

who would want to see that boring rematch anyways? [IMG]http://i283.***********.com/albums/kk311/BAlexandra3290/lesbian.jpg[/IMG]

[Silencers]

It seems like your saying if he could just work more then the last time he'd win, which is just wishful thinking more than anything else. He didn't, couldn't, and wouldn't to any significant degree. Like I said, Hopkins is a clever guy and gives it his best shot, come on stop looking on him too favourably as if he could take the best from the Calzaghe fight performance, and the best from the Pavlik fight and win.

That doesn't happen, like I said numerous things such as Hopkins pace as defence could not and would not be allowed in a fight with Calzaghe. These are just two key things that lead to him tiring more than in fights before post 40, or a fight after against Kelly. He was pretty quick at the start hence knocking Joe down. Calzaghe was sussing his style, being resilient to it, enforcing his own pace and style which tired Hopkins more than usual or we've otherwise seen. He's done that with other young guys as well.

Calzaghe would not let anything go any different and worse than he did in the first fight. He was dropped, under rated Hopkins tactics, took a few rounds to adapt in the process losing those rounds, and had to work his arse off to force his own fight. Battheman is also right in saying a more aggressive Hops suites Calzaghe, because Joe does notoriously prefer that as history has shown. That was Hopkins best shot and at nicking it and he came close but didn't quite make it. I think I answered and explained anything else in my previous post so I've not got much more I can say really.

I do believe that if Hopkins is capable of working more, he can win the fight, some people had him winning the first fight when he was throwing an average of 35 punches a round, I wasn't among them because I thought he was too inactive, if he can throw as many punches as he did against Pavlik, I think he could win, because when he did let his hands go against Calzaghe, he was getting the better shots in, I think he would be able to get the better shots in more consistently if he can get his punches off against Calzaghe and I think he would be able to get more punches off if they do fight again, I think he would be willing to let his hands go a bit more and I'm not sure if that would favor Calzaghe, because he would make Calzaghe come to him not the other way round, which is what Calzaghe likes.

I always try to be objective and I would like to think I'm doing so here, I'm not trying to look favorably in Hopkins' favor, it is just what I genuinely think could happen.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[El Dominicano]

I do believe that if Hopkins is capable of working more, he can win the fight, some people had him winning the first fight when he was throwing an average of 35 punches a round, I wasn't among them because I thought he was too inactive, if he can throw as many punches as he did against Pavlik, I think he could win, because when he did let his hands go against Calzaghe, he was getting the better shots in, I think he would be able to get the better shots in more consistently if he can get his punches off against Calzaghe and I think he would be able to get more punches off if they do fight again, I think he would be willing to let his hands go a bit more and I'm not sure if that would favor Calzaghe, because he would make Calzaghe come to him not the other way round, which is what Calzaghe likes.

I always try to be objective and I would like to think I'm doing so here, I'm not trying to look favorably in Hopkins' favor, it is just what I genuinely think could happen.



I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Problem is more stamina was wasted on defense against Calzaghe then it was against Pavlik. Calzaghe is all over the place throwing punches...

[Kris Silver]

I do believe that if Hopkins is capable of working more, he can win the fight, some people had him winning the first fight when he was throwing an average of 35 punches a round, I wasn't among them because I thought he was too inactive, if he can throw as many punches as he did against Pavlik, I think he could win, because when he did let his hands go against Calzaghe, he was getting the better shots in, I think he would be able to get the better shots in more consistently if he can get his punches off against Calzaghe and I think he would be able to get more punches off if they do fight again, I think he would be willing to let his hands go a bit more and I'm not sure if that would favor Calzaghe, because he would make Calzaghe come to him not the other way round, which is what Calzaghe likes.

I always try to be objective and I would like to think I'm doing so here, I'm not trying to look favorably in Hopkins' favor, it is just what I genuinely think could happen.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

You don't seem to be even recognising the fundamental point that Hopkins did not work and throw more against Joe because he was not allowed to by his opponent. It's not like every fight a guy is capable of throwing the same amount of punches in the same rounds with the same success. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

So it's almost irrelevant to just say if he just worked as hard, he couldn't because of his opponent, and wouldn't the next time, he was too busy working to avoid numerous punches from all angle and keep up.

There's not many boxers out there like Kelly Pavlik, that if Hopkins gets his space, timing and pace he wants he can do as much or as little as he pleases without a new thing to contend with. Even if Pavlik was a little more resilience, changed the spaces Hopkins was moving to, lateral movement, got the odd jab going and connected the odd body shot, changed his style it'd been a fair bit closer. Times that by 10 for someone like Calzaghe whom does all those things and has more speed, tactics, accuracy and general adaptability. Calzaghe hates very defensive fighers hence him not performing that well against it and Hopkins making it close. There's everything to suggest that if Hopkins was less defensive which was troubling Joe and nullifying, allowing countering, that being more offensive he'd totally play into Calzaghes hands. That's exactly what Joe was chasing for all night, a fight and Hops didnt wana know and made it close because of it.

[Silencers]

Problem is more stamina was wasted on defense against Calzaghe then it was against Pavlik. Calzaghe is all over the place throwing punches...

I think he'd spend a bit more energy on offense next time, if there is a next time, while not forsaking his defense, either way it'd be another close fight that could turn ugly.

[Silencers]

With respect you don't seem to be even recognising the fundamental point that it's precisely the point that Hopkins did not work and throw more against Joe because he was not allowed to by his opponent. It's not like every fight a guy is capable of throwing the same amount of punches in the same rounds with the same success. It's apples and pears.

So it's almost irrelevant to just say if he just worked as hard, he couldn't because of his opponent, and wouldn't the next time, he was too busy working to avoid numerous punches from all angle and keep up.

There's not many boxers out there like Kelly Pavlik, that if Hopkins gets his space, timing and pace he wants he can do as much or as little as he pleases without a new thing to contend with. Even if Pavlik was a little more resilience, changed the spaces Hopkins was moving to, lateral movement, got the odd jab going and connected the odd body shot, changed his style it'd been a fair bit closer. Times that by 10 for someone like Calzaghe whom does all those things and has more speed, tactics, accuracy and general adaptability.

That may be so but he could also end up throwing more punches next time now that he knows what Calzaghe brings to the table, I think he'd be more offensive minded next time and I disagree that it would play into Calzaghe's hands if he does it right.

The thing is, I believe he could counterpunch more effectively next time with more regularity.

As I said, it would be a close fight but I don't think you should throw out the possibility of Hopkins winning because he could end up neutralizing Calzaghe and winning the fight, I think he can do this, but whether he can do this, I don't know but as I said, I give him a much better chance of winning a rematch than I did before.

[Dan...]

If Hopkins could fight with that kind of energy I would favour him to get a decision over Joe in a rematch.