Ohhhh the Irony - FAO Wlad OWNS

[Stickman]

I thought Hide was competitive in the first round but folded as soon as he felt Vitali's power.

I really don't see how that jab could've put anyone down legitimately though and I've seen many jab knockdowns/KO's.

Naw, you could tell he was hurt bad by the way he went down, and was stiff armed/legged for a few seconds before he came around a little and got himself up. That was his brain doing a soft reboot. Even at that point, though, you could see he was still a few miles down ***** street, and there wasn't any way he was going to make it back to himself before he caught a couple more shots. Personally, I'd have given him the benefit of the doubt and let him try once more to survive. There are some fighters that get damned dangerous the second they get hurt. Hide was never one to my knowledge, but I'd have let him try, regardless. I don't think it'd have made a difference, but if a guy shows up in shape and ready to fight, I think he should get a chance to prove he can come back from a KD, especially that early in the fight. Had it been the 8th or 10th, he was behind dramatically and hadn't been able to land ****, then I might've stopped it, but in the 2nd, when the guy beats the count easy? No, not me.

[TheGreatA]

Naw, you could tell he was hurt bad by the way he went down, and was stiff armed/legged for a few seconds before he came around a little and got himself up. That was his brain doing a soft reboot. Even at that point, though, you could see he was still a few miles down ***** street, and there wasn't any way he was going to make it back to himself before he caught a couple more shots. Personally, I'd have given him the benefit of the doubt and let him try once more to survive. There are some fighters that get damned dangerous the second they get hurt. Hide was never one to my knowledge, but I'd have let him try, regardless. I don't think it'd have made a difference, but if a guy shows up in shape and ready to fight, I think he should get a chance to prove he can come back from a KD, especially that early in the fight. Had it been the 8th or 10th, he was behind dramatically and hadn't been able to land ****, then I might've stopped it, but in the 2nd, when the guy beats the count easy? No, not me.

i dont know i watched that fight live on tv and i remember how glazed over Hide's eyes were when he tried to unsuccessfully get up he looked like he had been starched TBH

i thought he wanted to quit against Bowe and that is why he kept going down i think he broke down mentally and just wanted outta there

I guess Hide does have the worst chin of all time then.

I've posted that video a few times before when talking about jab KO's but few believed it to be legitimate.

I agree that fighters should be given the benefit of the doubt a lot of times. Some of the stoppages this year have been ridiculous, Andy Lee for example was still throwing punches when he was TKO'd against Brian Vera.

[rizkybizness]

Haha yeah I was wondering the same thing.

LOL

That was his first and last post in this thread.

Good riddance.

[Dynamite Kid]

I guess Hide does have the worst chin of all time then.

I've posted that video a few times before when talking about jab KO's but few believed it to be legitimate.

I agree that fighters should be given the benefit of the doubt a lot of times. Some of the stoppages this year have been ridiculous, Andy Lee for example was still throwing punches when he was TKO'd against Brian Vera.

im a fan of Andy Lee but he is wide open for right hooks/hands

Gibbs and Vera both nailed him with that punch

[Stickman]

I guess Hide does have the worst chin of all time then.

I've posted that video a few times before when talking about jab KO's but few believed it to be legitimate.

I agree that fighters should be given the benefit of the doubt a lot of times. Some of the stoppages this year have been ridiculous, Andy Lee for example was still throwing punches when he was TKO'd against Brian Vera.

I have some theories about "chins", and I don't think Hide's was that bad (never stopped before). What I think could be a very large factor in a fighter's "chin" is how he tends to catch punches. Some guys have a beard you couldn't break with a sledge, yet others seem to get hurt with the lightest shots, and I think much of it may have to do with how good they are at seeing incoming shots, the angle they're at when they catch it, and how they react (roll with it, stiffen and move low and into it, or catch it unawares) are huge factors in how tough a boxer's beard is. It's also, I think, the reason lighter punchers like RJJ, Mayweather Jr, etc. are able to get stoppages so easily...they throw so fast and from different angles, it's impossible to anticipate the shot, and it puts you down much easier.

[Derranged]

Vitali's early opposition was quite awful, he won the WBO title against the glass-chinned Herbie Hide but after losing to Byrd he took on a lot of tough guys who had not been KO'd before and was able to stop them in the later rounds.

Timo Hoffman was the only one who went the distance with Vitali.

I've always thought of Vitali as more of an accumulation puncher, his brother Wladimir has more one punch KO power in my opinion.


Vitali vs Hoffman


Vitali takes out Danny Williams

Lol. That first fight looked the guy just took a dive!!

[TheGreatA]

im a fan of Andy Lee but he is wide open for right hooks/hands

Gibbs and Vera both nailed him with that punch

Lee does need to work on his defense. Steward talked a lot about his potential but Lee couldn't quite get it done just yet.

He was on his way to losing Vera but the fight shouldn't have been stopped at that point.

Decent comeback win against Gibbs (he was caught a couple of times though), now he should try to get a rematch with Vera.


End of the Lee-Vera fight.

I have some theories about "chins", and I don't think Hide's was that bad (never stopped before). What I think could be a very large factor in a fighter's "chin" is how he tends to catch punches. Some guys have a beard you couldn't break with a sledge, yet others seem to get hurt with the lightest shots, and I think much of it may have to do with how good they are at seeing incoming shots, the angle they're at when they catch it, and how they react (roll with it, stiffen and move low and into it, or catch it unawares) are huge factors in how tough a boxer's beard is. It's also, I think, the reason lighter punchers like RJJ, Mayweather Jr, etc. are able to get stoppages so easily...they throw so fast and from different angles, it's impossible to anticipate the shot, and it puts you down much easier.

I agree.

Hide had been stopped against Bowe before facing Vitali though, without taking any solid punches.

He was stopped twice afterwards against lesser competition and has been knocked down numerous times, even in his recent cruiserweight bouts.

[TheGreatA]

Lol. That first fight looked the guy just took a dive!!

He probably did.


Why Herbie Hide has 42 KO's out of 45 wins (and at this point 38 KO's out of 39 wins).

I don't think too much of KO percentages. Past heavyweight contender Mac Foster had 36 KO's out of 36 wins, Ali challenger LaMar Clark had 43 KO's out of 44 wins, fight-fixing Billy Fox had 47 KO's out of 48 wins...

[Stickman]

He probably did.




Why Herbie Hide has 42 KO's out of 45 wins (and at this point 38 KO's out of 39 wins).

I don't think too much of KO percentages. Past heavyweight contender Mac Foster had 36 KO's out of 36 wins, Ali challenger LaMar Clark had 43 KO's out of 44 wins...

Depends on how they got 'em. You can fight "opponents" your entire career and KO every one you face. Some have done that, but Vitali has the highest KO % of any champion in history that I know of. 97% ain't nothing to sneeze at, no matter how you look at it. And the fact that he actually holds a belt (3rd time now) says something about his ability to defeat nearly any opposition.

[Jupiter Maximus]

After watching Vitali on saturday, I find it ironic (and hilarious) how you always talk **** about Haye's left hand being too low and having an amateurish style.

I think what you mean is that it's hypocritical...not ironic. There is not incongruity in this situation

DERP!

maybe you are the one that doesn't get it