which klitscho would beat haye worse

[Davros?]

Do this for me....outline exactly how you think Haye can beat Wlad. Don't just give me the "He's fast, he's skilled" routine, tell me what he has that makes you believe he's a serious threat to either Klitchko. The reason I ask is because I've watched Haye, studied him closely in fact, and while he is talented, fast, with decent power (at cruiser), he's got nothing that makes me even want to toss a $20 on an underdog bet with the hopes of any possible payout.

Tell me why you think he can win, and then I'll describe to you, in detail, why I know he can't, at least not the way he fights right now. I'll go over this again after his fight with Barrett, but I gotta tell you, right now, he ain't ready for the big boys.

Well i have seen every Haye fight that has been on TV, I think Haye will actualy sit back and let Wlad lead off, Haye will stick out a few jabs and throw faints and will wait for wlad to throw the right, when wlad throws the right hand he tends to leave it out and not bring it back very quickly he was doing this a lot during the Thompson fight Haye will try and throw a counter right hand as soon as wlad throws the right, DaVarryl Williamson managed to do it.

[Davros?]

2: He actually fights low, coming forward, leaning in looking for a hole. That's fine against shorter cruiserweights when he's the bigger guy most of the time, but suicidal against Klitchko who is inches taller, and actually uses his height as a weapon.

Haye actualy does better against taller fighters, his most impresive wins have come from fighters taller than him self.

[Kastrioti]

Well i have seen every Haye fight that has been on TV, I think Haye will actualy sit back and let Wlad lead off, Haye will stick out a few jabs and throw faints and will wait for wlad to throw the right, when wlad throws the right hand he tends to leave it out and not bring it back very quickly he was doing this a lot during the Thompson fight Haye will try and throw a counter right hand as soon as wlad throws the right, DaVarryl Williamson managed to do it.

Interesting, don't you think that Wlad will win the jab game? He will not chase Haye, if Haye lays back, Wlad will stay in distance, but enough distance so that he can throw his longer jab. Wlad doesn't really use his right hand by itself, he only uses it when he connects the jab. He did it with Thompson because he is not nearly as aggressive as Haye, and Thompson wasn't really responding to it, which is why Wlad will be careful when using the right hand and will use the jab to win, he only uses the right hand when his jab connects and stuns you or to finish you off.

[sparked_85]

I was hoping for a little more detail, but I get the gist of what you're saying there.

Ok, here's my part of the deal.

These are Haye's two most glaring problems:

1: He carries his guard low: This gets you killed against Wlad, who has a quick, stiff jab that will bust you up all night if you don't keep your guard where it belongs.

2: He actually fights low, coming forward, leaning in looking for a hole. That's fine against shorter cruiserweights when he's the bigger guy most of the time, but suicidal against Klitchko who is inches taller, and actually uses his height as a weapon.

Both of these together will cause him to eat a few dozen jabs, and then 3 or 4 right hands that will put him on his shorts a couple of times before ending in a solid KO loss. And that's only if he doesn't get caught with a big hook off Wlad's jab coming in to find a hole. To make matters worse, I don't even see a way for him to land at all. Does Wlad tend to panic? Some, yes, but not as bad as many think, and not as much now as he has in the past. He's also not nearly as chinny as most think.

Haye has talent, lots of it...nearly as much talent as he has mouth. He also has great handspeed, and enough power to get the job done, I believe, even against a much bigger heavy. But he fights all wrong for the weight class he's moving up to, and if he doesn't change his **** dramatically, he probably won't even get by Barrett.

Haye's man gameplan essentially is waiting for Wlad to fall short and **** his right hand over the top. But he will force the issue, otherwise Wlad will literally do nothing for the first few rounds and just throw out the occassional jab. Haye will take risks he'll be in punching range the whole time.

The fact that Wlad panics is why Haye has a chance. Wlad does Panic, he doesn't do anything on the inside. He is comfortable at mid-range and long range, his inside game consists of clinching.

The hope is that Wlad comes out tentative, fall in with one of this punches and gets sparked.

It's a punchers chance, but it's legitimate imo.

That said Haye is susceptible to left hooks, Maccarinelli landed it frequently.

[Davros?]

Interesting, don't you think that Wlad will win the jab game? He will not chase Haye, if Haye lays back, Wlad will stay in distance, but enough distance so that he can throw his longer jab. Wlad doesn't really use his right hand by itself, he only uses it when he connects the jab. He did it with Thompson because he is not nearly as aggressive as Haye, and Thompson wasn't really responding to it, which is why Wlad will be careful when using the right hand and will use the jab to win, he only uses the right hand when his jab connects and stuns you or to finish you off.

Wlad has a better jab, but he does tend to be a bit lazy with that as well giving haye a chance to counter over the top with the right, Haye throws lots of feints as well somthing that most of Wlads opponents havent done. I am not saying Haye will win but he has a chance against Wlad.

[Kastrioti]

Wlad has a better jab, but he does tend to be a bit lazy with that as well giving haye a chance to counter over the top with the right, Haye throws lots of feints as well somthing that most of Wlads opponents havent done. I am not saying Haye will win but he has a chance against Wlad.

Of course I know he has a chance,it's boxing, i'd be foolish not to think so. I'm just saying, that when it comes down to it, if they were to fight, I would put my money on Wlad.

[larryx]

haye has a good chance to beat wlad because wlad is timid..but he has no chance in hell to beat vitali

[mrbigshot]

wlad is a gun shy and someone who is explosive like david haye always has a chance but

vitali is another matter the guy has a sense of invinciabilty and in my opinion should be unbeaten!!! he took a lennox lewis uppercut which would of knocked out any other heavy weight i wont lie vitali is not that hard to hit but he has a chin made of granite and every punch he throws hurts he would knock haye out period hes just too classy for haye

[Pullcounter]

???whick one would have haye in the hospital longer??

Clearly Vitaly is the better fighter

[bsrizpac]

Haye murders both in the same night

More hilarity from the biased idiot. I love how this **** pretends he's objective.

"DUR ME DIRK. ME PICK HAYE CUZ HE IS FROM ENGLAND. DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"

What has Haye done at heavyweight yet to prove anything? Thought so.

Vitali murders him. Badly. The only way Haye wins if vitali's shoulder or back falls off.

Now go back to jerking off to the union jack you *****.