which klitscho would beat haye worse

[KESSLER]

They will both kill him in the ring.

[Davros?]

They will both kill him in the ring.

an excellent analysis.

[Randall_Hopkirk]

an excellent analysis.

Isn't it just. Don't you just love fans with gay **** avatars who give insightful analysis.

[chilly9876]

he couldnt hospitalise Danny williams who was fighting with ne arm half of the fight, so doubt he'll kill haye...fools

[Stickman]

Wlad beats him easily, probably ending it with a mid-round KO. Vitali beats him down, busts him up, and stops him by TKO in mid-rounds.

Wlad throws the harder right hand, but Vitali throws nearly ever punch heavily, making it hurt just standing there catching jabs. To make it worse, he's got quick enough hands that you will eat most of those jab/hooks. And the entire time he's doing this, he's standing there baiting you in with his guard low and his chin hanging in the air like you could hit it all day long. Makes me think of an anglerfish.

[sparked_85]

People should calm down with Wlad brutally KO's Haye ****.

You could end up looking really silly.

[Stickman]

People should calm down with Wlad brutally KO's Haye ****.

You could end up looking really silly.

Do this for me....outline exactly how you think Haye can beat Wlad. Don't just give me the "He's fast, he's skilled" routine, tell me what he has that makes you believe he's a serious threat to either Klitchko. The reason I ask is because I've watched Haye, studied him closely in fact, and while he is talented, fast, with decent power (at cruiser), he's got nothing that makes me even want to toss a $20 on an underdog bet with the hopes of any possible payout.

Tell me why you think he can win, and then I'll describe to you, in detail, why I know he can't, at least not the way he fights right now. I'll go over this again after his fight with Barrett, but I gotta tell you, right now, he ain't ready for the big boys.

[Derranged]

ladies there's only one way to put this argument to bed and that's to see who wins the fight. Haye gonna do work in the division and that's that. I'm a bettin man but that lil whiney ****schko fan Wlad Blows I'm bettin all my points wit. Haye is the light at the end of the tunnel for Klitschko and I will see you at the altar my man.

All my points Haye loses to either Klitschko homeboy.

[sparked_85]

Do this for me....outline exactly how you think Haye can beat Wlad. Don't just give me the "He's fast, he's skilled" routine, tell me what he has that makes you believe he's a serious threat to either Klitchko. The reason I ask is because I've watched Haye, studied him closely in fact, and while he is talented, fast, with decent power (at cruiser), he's got nothing that makes me even want to toss a $20 on an underdog bet with the hopes of any possible payout.

Tell me why you think he can win, and then I'll describe to you, in detail, why I know he can't, at least not the way he fights right now. I'll go over this again after his fight with Barrett, but I gotta tell you, right now, he ain't ready for the big boys.

You see this is thing.

Is Wlad a cool customer? Not really

Is Wlad vulnerable? yes

Is Haye faster? yes

Is Haye a cool customer? yes

Is Haye Vulnerable? yes

Is Haye aggressive? yes

Is Wlad aggressive? no

Will Wlad be comfortable with a man trying to take his head off? not at all

Does Wlad Panic? Yes


Wlad should beat Haye buy clinching him, and tiring him out with his huge frame, but if he falls in like he has done against Thompson and Ibragimov, Haye does have the ability to expose that. If Haye wins, he humiliates Wlad and it would be a massacre it's the only way Haye can win and he knows that, if I was a Wlad fan I'd be holding back a bit. I wouldn't dismiss it, it stick to the let's see Haye against Barrett angle.

[Stickman]

You see this is thing.

Is Wlad a cool customer? Not really

Is Wlad vulnerable? yes

Is Haye faster? yes

Is Haye a cool customer? yes

Is Haye Vulnerable? yes

Is Haye aggressive? yes

Is Wlad aggressive? no

Will Wlad be comfortable with a man trying to take his head off? not at all

Does Wlad Panic? Yes


Wlad should beat Haye buy clinching him, and tiring him out with his huge frame, but if he falls in like he has done against Thompson and Ibragimov, Haye does have the ability to expose that. If Haye wins, he humiliates Wlad and it would be a massacre it's the only way Haye can win and he knows that, if I was a Wlad fan I'd be holding back a bit. I wouldn't dismiss it, it stick to the let's see Haye against Barrett angle.

I was hoping for a little more detail, but I get the gist of what you're saying there.

Ok, here's my part of the deal.

These are Haye's two most glaring problems:

1: He carries his guard low: This gets you killed against Wlad, who has a quick, stiff jab that will bust you up all night if you don't keep your guard where it belongs.

2: He actually fights low, coming forward, leaning in looking for a hole. That's fine against shorter cruiserweights when he's the bigger guy most of the time, but suicidal against Klitchko who is inches taller, and actually uses his height as a weapon.

Both of these together will cause him to eat a few dozen jabs, and then 3 or 4 right hands that will put him on his shorts a couple of times before ending in a solid KO loss. And that's only if he doesn't get caught with a big hook off Wlad's jab coming in to find a hole. To make matters worse, I don't even see a way for him to land at all. Does Wlad tend to panic? Some, yes, but not as bad as many think, and not as much now as he has in the past. He's also not nearly as chinny as most think.

Haye has talent, lots of it...nearly as much talent as he has mouth. He also has great handspeed, and enough power to get the job done, I believe, even against a much bigger heavy. But he fights all wrong for the weight class he's moving up to, and if he doesn't change his **** dramatically, he probably won't even get by Barrett.