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um no...toney is my favorite fighter but he didnt ruin peter at all. he just couldnt get inside of vitali and got his ****ty defense exposed, thats it, toney had nothing to do with peter's performance yesterday.
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toney doens't hit hard ? .. what was holyfield doing rolling around on the floor
and why did rahman want to quit ? ...
some of you on about him fighting batcheldor .. he just staying busy man
unlike klitschko who gets a shot at the belt right away ... toney has
been busy fighitng his way back up to a title shot .... ducking absolutely
no one. vitali is now the supposed greatest thing since ali after
outboxing peter . peter must be like the next coming of sonny liston
so toney can't be too far behind. after beating rahman they need
to give him a shot.Comment
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I heard that Toney actually turned down an offer to fight Wlad. Anyone know anything about that?Comment
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here is an article on it
Why won't Toney fight Klitschko?
By Ben Cohen: It was reported recently that heavyweight James Toney rejected an offer of $1.5million to fight WBO champion Wladimir Klitschko.
The Michigan born fighter who started his career at 160lbs, has steadily eaten his way up to 237lbs, beating up many world-class fighters along the way. He has shown absolutely no fear of any of the heavyweights, and has proved his worth at 200lb plus to all those who doubted him.
So why then, has Toney decided not to fight Klitschko in what would certainly be the biggest and most competitive heavyweight fight in years?
It is not as if 'Lights Out' has shown any reservations in fighting the big men of boxing. Officially making his mark in the heavyweight division with a 9th round TKO of veteran Evander Holyfield in 2003, Toney has since been involved with two Heavyweight championship bouts.
In 2005, Toney took on John Ruiz for the WBA belt, and clearly out boxed the ponderous 'Quiet Man', taking a unanimous decision. However, Toney was found to have banned substances in his system (the residuals of medication he was taking for an injury he claimed later), and was stripped of the title.
Toney came back with another good points victory over Dominick Guinn, and was then given another title shot against WBC champion Hasim Rahman in early 2006.
Weighing an enormous 237lbs, Toney boxed well, but was outworked by a fitter Rahman for many of the rounds in the fight. The bout was declared a draw, and Toney again, went home without the belt he has sought so desperately since turning professional in 1988.
Toney has again been offered a shot at the Heavyweight title, this time Klitschko. Uncharacteristically he has backed out saying the money was not good enough.
In the past, Toney has referred to Klitschko as "garbage", calling him a "bum with no chin" and saying he could beat him "with ease".
Klitschko has had an uneasy few years, getting knocked out twice, and looking far from stellar in several of his outings. However, he has recently bounced back with a huge victory over former rival Chris Byrd. The Ukranian bludgeoned Bryd in five extremely one sided rounds, displaying some excellent defensive work and phenomenal punching power.
Could it be that upon viewing the fight with Byrd, Toney does not fancy his chances against the 6ft 5 Klitschko?
Not so, says trainer Freddy Roach.
"Well I wouldn't fight Wladimir Klitschko for 1.5 million dollars", Roach told Secondsout flatly.
"That's not enough money to fight a guy like that for the world championship. For the right price he will fight the right guy. I know he is the mandatory for the winner of the Rahman fight, and maybe he'll get better paid for that," he said of Toney's proposed world title rematch.
And to be fair, this is a good point from camp Toney. Klitschko is probably the most dangerous heavyweight out there, and after all of Toney's training expenses, he would only walk away with a few hundred thousand. For the biggest fight of his life, that is not nearly enough motivation for a man of Toney's age and stature in the game.
And what of the weight? Coming in almost 80lbs over his former middleweight self, Toney has hardly looked serious about fighting someone of the skill and power of Klitschko. He may have been able to get away with it with the John Ruiz's and Hasim Rahman's of boxing, but Wladimir Klitshcko is definitely in a different league.
Will Roach put his foot down about Toney's weight if he was to fight Klitschko for the title?
"The thing is, I don't think I'm going to have to put my foot down", replied Roach quickly.
"I think that James realises that he needs to be in better shape, and if he doesn't realise then he never will. James is his own man, and I've had some talks with him, and he realises he needs to be in better shape. If that can't motivate him, then I don't think anything can. If that doesn't motivate James Toney then he's not going to be heavyweight champion of the world. He is 10-15 lbs away from that title, he knows that and he'll make the adjustments. I'm sure of it."
Having stated that he would come down to under 220lbs if he were to fight Klitschko, does Roach believe that Toney is actually physically capable of making decent weight?
"Its just like when he fought Jirov", he said referring to Toney's magnificent performance all the way down at 190lbs in 2003.
"He knows he can do it."
And if he can't, it would not be wise for him to get in the ring with someone as good as Klitschko.
wonder how much money he made fighting Danny Batchelder
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Scott9945, Jim Jeffries and WladOwns are 'Haters'. All the Klitchkos are are a Manager's dream to make Heavyweight $$$ How's Toney feather-fisted??? He's got more knockouts than what these guys have had fights. What happened to Holyfield's face? McCline was lucky Toney snapped his achilles or he would have been in the Hospital with Holyfield.
Toney got ripped off bad in first Peter fight and I felt that robbed him of something more than just a SD loss. In the second fight Toney lost his balance and came into the fight with an injured ankle. Yes, Toney could have come in better shape, hiring Billy Blanks and eating lima beans brought Toney 1 pound less than PeterI.
Even Toney said that he should have been in better shape for some of his Heavyweight fights. Rahman would have been stopped in the 6th or 7th had he not chickened out. Toney's big right hand in the 3rd spelt the start of the end for Rahman.
All the Toney critics criticise Toney but the guy always manages to re-invent himself and make them critics eat those words. How hard would Jack Johnson laugh and wave at the Klitchkos if he got in the ring with them?lol I reckon Tommy Burns would put it over the Klitchkos. Sam Langford, Harry Greb, Joe Louis, Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey would have a very easy night against these guys.
I'm starting to like Enzo Calzaghe reading his comments on Klitchkos!lolComment
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You're tripping Nigel! There's no BS in my post whatsoever. It was his wrist he broke and he pulled out. Plain and simple! Gatti was landing not soft jabs but power shots on Micky Ward in second fight with broken wrist.
Ohhhhh, that's right it was that 'Mysterious' Russian injury plague that swept across that Russia Don King was talking about at a press conference. Damn, how could I forget???Comment
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yeah holyifield doesn't just quit like that for no reason ...
same with rahman. rahman fought lewis twice but after 5 rounds
with toney he didn't want anymore ...
after beating rahman he deserves a shot . if the klitschoks dont give it
they are robbing the fans as well. because who else are they going to fight?
when toney lost he kept fighting to get himself back into contention
what other fighters out there deserve a shot more than toney ?
even if you think he doesn't, then who does ? ...Comment
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quitting because of an injury is like a boxer saying
oh i got a headache now ... i can't fight anymore ...
now thanks to vitali and how he quit against byrd
all the fighters are doing it. rahman gets a small cut
and he says he can't fight on. are they fighters or not ?!!!
can you imagine dempsey saying oh i got a sore back
oh well .. can't keep fighting, got to protect my back ...Comment
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It's one thing to have ridiculous opinions. You're entitled to that. But mangling facts is something else. Vitali had a severe shoulder injury in the Byrd fight that required surgery. You can probably even look that up on f'n Wikipedia. Don't be ignorant and self righteous. You're just marking yourself as a fool.Comment
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