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I'll repeat the "styles make fights" argument because........ummmm.........styles make ****ing fights.
I read Clegg's post and he makes good points as always but I dont think its as clear cut as to say Roy is totally shot. Yes he would've made fairly easy work of Glen Johnson in the past, but I dont think Johnson was the best opponent to choose for a comeback fight after being knocked out. Whatever you say about the guy, he'll push you to the brink as we saw recently with Chad Dawson.
I think Roy came back well in the 3rd Tarver fight and then in his next 3 fights. Clearly he's lost a step and he fights more cautiously but if he was totally shot, surely competent to very good opponents like Hanshaw and Tito would've exposed that. Surely Roy wouldnt have dominated them with such relative ease?
I actually think Roy fighting more cautiously helps him against someone like Calzaghe. Again I go back to styles making fights. Calzaghe doesn't like to lead and if Roy sits on the ropes and counters all night, it could become very frustrating for Joe. If Roy were on the front foot, trying to throw combinations, Calzaghe would thrive on the counter because he's quicker than Roy at this stage of their careers. But we all know what Pavlik would do hence Joe wouldnt have to spend time figuring him out at all.
And they ARE at similar ages. Neither have been in many wars. If you look at Calzaghe's fights recently barring Lacy and Kessler, he hasnt looked particularly impressive in any of them. He also cant do things he could do in his prime - first of all, he cant punch anymore. If thats not taking something away from your game, I dont know what is.
I still expect Joe to win a decision but even if Joe was fighting Pavlik, I'd still say Roy Jones was a more difficult fight simply because STYLES MAKE FIGHTS.
I'll repeat the "styles make fights" argument because........ummmm.........styles make ****ing fights.
I read Clegg's post and he makes good points as always but I dont think its as clear cut as to say Roy is totally shot. Yes he would've made fairly easy work of Glen Johnson in the past, but I dont think Johnson was the best opponent to choose for a comeback fight after being knocked out. Whatever you say about the guy, he'll push you to the brink as we saw recently with Chad Dawson.
I think Roy came back well in the 3rd Tarver fight and then in his next 3 fights. Clearly he's lost a step and he fights more cautiously but if he was totally shot, surely competent to very good opponents like Hanshaw and Tito would've exposed that. Surely Roy wouldnt have dominated them with such relative ease?
I actually think Roy fighting more cautiously helps him against someone like Calzaghe. Again I go back to styles making fights. Calzaghe doesn't like to lead and if Roy sits on the ropes and counters all night, it could become very frustrating for Joe. If Roy were on the front foot, trying to throw combinations, Calzaghe would thrive on the counter because he's quicker than Roy at this stage of their careers. But we all know what Pavlik would do hence Joe wouldnt have to spend time figuring him out at all.
And they ARE at similar ages. Neither have been in many wars. If you look at Calzaghe's fights recently barring Lacy and Kessler, he hasnt looked particularly impressive in any of them. He also cant do things he could do in his prime - first of all, he cant punch anymore. If thats not taking something away from your game, I dont know what is.
I still expect Joe to win a decision but even if Joe was fighting Pavlik, I'd still say Roy Jones was a more difficult fight simply because STYLES MAKE FIGHTS.
I think part of what you are saying is true. Roy's style does present a more difficult fight for Calzaghe than Pavlik's style. The thing is, whilst this may look Joe look bad it is highly questionable as to whether Roy can fight at the necessary intensity to actually win enough rounds off a high-volume guy like Calzaghe. I'm a Roy nuthugger and based on the available evidence I don't see it as being very possible that he will be able to achieve that.
Pavlik on the other hand presents an easier style match-up for Joe but is a prime and hungry young champion that does have weapons that can hurt you, making him more of a threat and subsequently, IMO, the tougher fight. Just my take.
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