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  • Allucard
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    #31
    Originally posted by lparm
    Forwarded by FRANK WARREN
    WHEN Joe Calzaghe said he would promote himself against Roy Jones Jnr, he said he hoped our split would be amicable.

    Well that obviously isn’t the case but having considered him more a friend than a fighter I have kept my silence.

    But Calzaghe’s recent attacks on me in the Press have left me no choice but to defend myself in print, although I find it deeply saddening that I have to do so.

    When Joe signed with me he couldn’t afford to pay his mortgage. But over 12 long, hard, but successful years, I helped make him into a multi-millionaire, one of the best-known UK sports personalities who is now nailed-on for boxing’s Hall of Fame.

    In his book, he says signing with me was the best decision he ever made. But he now claims he was held back, kept in ‘shackles’ and could have had big fights sooner.

    Yet until he beat Jeff Lacy and finally began to believe in himself, one person and one person alone afflicted his career: Joe Calzaghe.

    He would pull out of fights at short notice for reasons he felt were valid. But it left me to sort out the mess with opponents furious and TV execs pulling their hair out.

    Once I had to pay opponents cash up front before they would sign a contract because they were afraid of going through weeks of training camps for nothing if he pulled out.

    I lost $100,000 to Glen Johnson when Joe pulled out of a world-title fight with him for a second time. This the same Johnson who KO’d Jones four years ago.

    I recall that when I vetoed a fight with Freeman Barr, a dreadful mediocre No 1 mandatory challenger who meant nothing, Joe said that he wanted to face him.

    Sky and I didn’t want the fight and fortunately the bout didn’t come off after Barr was beaten. For much of Joe’s career, I worked with US TV network Showtime, and they nicknamed Calzaghe ‘No Show Joe’, not least because of the pullouts and the fact he’d refuse to travel to the States to promote his fights.

    Calzaghe blamed his reluctance to travel on his fear of flying. But it made trying to build a name for him in the US a nightmare.

    For chunks of Calzaghe’s reign as a world champ, American TV lost all interest in the Welshman, but I continued to pay him the same money he was on when he was boxing on Showtime.

    And it wasn’t just the Americans who were growing frustrated with Joe.

    When the WBO ordered Calzaghe to face Mario Veit for a second time — having already knocked him out in the first round — I had a major problem because not one television station in the UK wanted the fight.

    Fortunately I managed to kid Veit’s German promoters I was going to make a big bid and it would take a massive sum to take the fight to the Continent.

    They gambled on being able to recoup some of the money back from Sky or ITV.

    They got a nasty surprise when they realised there would hardly be a penny our end — but Joe still grossed $1.7m when the fight could have gone for zilch.

    After Veit II, Calzaghe went on to fight Lacy in what would go down as one of the best British performances of all time.

    Yet that fight, like others, was nearly shelved.

    He insisted a couple of weeks beforehand he was injured and couldn’t fight.

    Both his dad Enzo and I persuaded him in the end to step through the ropes, something I’ve never done with a boxer before or since.

    For me, that was the making of Calzaghe.

    But my proudest moment in the sport came 18 months later when Joe beat Mikkel Kessler in Cardiff to prove what I’d said for years — that he was the world’s best super-middleweight. I lost £500,000 on that show but money really didn’t matter on the night because it was such a wonderful feeling to see him finally unify the world titles.

    Knowing Joe had a good chance of winning BBC Sports Personality of the Year, the week before voting I gave the BBC a re-run of the fight for free despite being offered money for the delay by ITV.

    I believed it would help secure votes for him. It duly did — and my decision was vindicated when Calzaghe won Sports Personality.

    But then so much of my time with Joe was spent working behind the scenes to raise his profile.

    When the opportunity to meet the Prince of Wales in Cardiff came up, Joe was reluctant to go along, even though it was just a few miles down the road.

    In the end, I was able to make him see sense. Was it a coincidence that in the spring he was awarded the CBE?

    Other times I wasn’t so successful. One Saturday morning he was due to appear on a children’s TV show which was based on boxing and centred on Joe.

    Thirty minutes before the show was due to go on air in London, I got a call from Joe, no doubt for reasons, saying he wouldn’t be able to go after all, leaving me again to call the unfortunate producers.

    I gave up trying to get him the kind of gigs Ricky Hatton would do at the drop of a hat.

    Joe made comments about the money and attention Hatton got but, although Joe is the better boxer, Ricky was prepared to put in the hard yards to get publicity.

    In April, having decided he could travel to the States, Joe defeated Bernard Hopkins in Las Vegas — a night where I felt a great deal of personal vindication.

    Months before the fight, we met and agreed I’d promote Joe’s next bout — which he said would be his last — and I began negotiating with Bob Arum for Kelly Pavlik and Roy Jones.

    I preferred the Pavlik fight as Jones is way past his best.

    In the 2008 latest edition of his autobiography, Joe states Jones is ‘washed up’ and in an interview in Boxing Monthly said he had ‘no interest’ in fighting Jones.

    Now he is trying to make out Jones will provide a legitimate challenge.

    Jones will probably get on his bike against Calzaghe — Joe struggles against runners. I believe I could have got Calzaghe far more money than he managed to secure himself.

    He agreed a 50-50 purse split with Jones. Roy must have thought he had won the lottery.

    After Joe beat Hopkins, HBO pay-per-view exec Mark Taffett told me they didn’t care who he fought next — Calzaghe was the No 1, not Jones or Pavlik.

    Over-the-hill Jones brought hardly a thing to the table — and certainly not 50 per cent. A fight against Pavlik, which Arum had agreed, would have done far more for Calzaghe’s legacy.

    And Arum would have accepted 40 per cent of the pay-per-view figures and given up the UK revenue.

    As Joe’s manager, I was entitled to take a percentage of his purses but never took sixpence from him, barring the second Veit fight, which was on another promoter’s show.

    At 36, he is hardly a kid who has been exploited. And it’s ironic he has attacked me this week over the choice of Amir Khan’s opponent.

    I’ve said all along the buck stops with me — the same matchmaker who picked Calzaghe’s opponents during his unbeaten reign.

    Over the years, I helped Joe with personal problems, gave him gifts and genuinely believed we had become friends.

    I also became close to his dad, who joked with me at ringside in Manchester this month. If someone kept my son in ‘shackles’ and mistreated him, I wouldn’t give them the time of day.

    I still regard Calzaghe as the best fighter to have come out of the UK since the war.

    Although he is something special between the ropes, it seems money is now his master.

    He said as much recently when ‘ambushed’ live on ITV by Carl Froch, who demanded a fight.

    Calzaghe’s response? “It’s all about the money, man.”

    I won’t comment on Joe again until the action between him and Sports Network is decided. It’s so sad it has come to this.
    This is how to build up to be what Joe is ? What a ****ing joke... This guy will go down in history like Sven Ottke, now i'm sure!

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    • IMDAZED
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      #32
      I lost $100,000 to Glen Johnson when Joe pulled out of a world-title fight with him for a second time. This the same Johnson who KO’d Jones four years ago.

      For the clowns who think Glen Johnson just decided not to fight Calzaghe because he pulled out once, READ THAT SLOWLY.

      And that doesn't include all the other crap he went through. GLen Johnson will fight ANYONE - you know he's sick of the antics when even he says, "enough!"

      But no, that's not ducking

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        #33
        Originally posted by Al Coholic
        This is why Jones is keeping Calzaghe sweet, He don't want him to pull out of the fight 2 days before because of a broken finger nail
        That's so obvious I'm surprised no one has mentioned it.

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        • Scary
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          #34
          Why does anybody all of a sudden believe what Frank Warren says? What he basicly is saying is: "I don't care about money, I care about Joe!" - When the **** did Frank stop caring about money?!

          I guess that everyone can say what they want, as long as it's against Joe Calzaghe. He is probably one of the easiest targets to pick.

          Btw. I'll judge a fighter from what he does inside the ring. And luckily this fighter is beating the crap out of USA atm.

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          • S.W.F.C
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            #35
            Warren did the same when Hatton left him, hes a moaning ****er who's bitter cause he aint gonna get a slice of the pie.

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            • lparm
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              #36
              Originally posted by joshyp18
              i read that article in the sun newspaper as frank warren does an article in the sports section every saturday. reading this it suddenly came across me that joe didnt fight in the us all these years because of his poor attitude. he constantly moaned to warren how hatton got the attention yet hatton put himself forward for the big fights. i cant believe he pulled out of 4 world title fights and then said he didnt want to go the america because he was scared of flying. wtf joe seriously i cant take you seriously anymore.
              Yeah I found the article on a british newspaper site I thought it was pretty interesting. Either warren is lying to make Joe look bad or he's telling all the dirty little secrets to piss Joe off. Thought I'd share it.

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              • WESS
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                #37
                "at the end of the day" when Joe is long gone and retired. This is the type of **** stories that will be remembered. Sad but so honestly true.

                This could just be the beginning of what Warren might come out with. Joe should just pay him off to shut him up. Even if only half of what Warren says is true, that alone is very scary for Joe's career "legacy" and his fans that stood by him so closely like a perfect marriage.

                Frank Warren is a bastard and should be killed

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                • deanrw
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                  #38
                  I have never had an issue with Joe the fighter. I was never on here or anywhere calling him names like slappy etc. I never was a big fan of him, but I respected his craft. What really pissed me off was him saying Pavlik is not worthy as an opponent. That one ticked me off. Yes I am a fan of Pavlik, he is an exciting fighter. I am a fan of big punchers and also, on the other side, pure craftsmen.

                  Pavlik has worked hard enough to get a shot at anyone he chooses. He took his share of pain to reach the top. A fight against Joe would have improved both their profiles over the long term win or lose. Pavlik's team were not even being greedy when it came to money terms. Everyone was happy it seemed, except Joe.
                  Last edited by deanrw; 09-27-2008, 09:31 AM.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by deanrw
                    I have never had an issue with Joe the fighter. I was never on here or anywhere calling him names like slappy etc. I never was a big fan of him, but I respected his craft. What really pissed me off was him saying Pavlik is not worthy as an opponent. That one ticked me off. Yes I am a fan of Pavlik, he is an exciting fighter. I am a fan of big punchers and also, on the other side, pure craftsmen.

                    Pavlik has worked hard enough to get a shot at anyone he chooses. He took his share of pain to reach the top. A fight against Joe would have improved both their profiles over the long term win or lose. Pavlik's team were not even being greedy when it came to money terms. Everyone was happy it seemed, except Joe.
                    Right on man. I feel ya. I was calling him names but then again I call a lot of fighters names to be fair. Even the ones on my top fighters list I call names just for fun.

                    Like you said I was disappointed in Joe's feelings toward a 2008 Kelly Pavlik an undefeated champion of the world with a 90% KO rate that is "UN-worthy" and the 2006 unknown Pavlik with no belts, no champion of the world, yet perfectly ("PERFECTLY" worthy) "worthy" to face the all mighty undefeated Joe. Make sense? Only to a Calzaghe fan.

                    And "people" wonder why he is hated on so much. You my friend are just one perfect example as to why Joe gets **** and will never get the credit he so begs for. Especially from people outside of Wales......

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                    • CasperUK
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                      #40
                      The problem with Calzaghe is that he is a safety first fighter and he will not take risks AT ALL. I don't mean just in the right but in his life outside of it either.

                      He refused to go abroad (fought on the Tyson-Nielesen undercard in 2001 though)

                      He refused to participate in public engagements

                      He pulled out of fights


                      And now he is lauded as a truly great fighter, based on what exactly? Fighting an unseasoned Lacy (he actually wanted to pull out of this one remember?), old man Hopkins (I think he lost this one personally), fought Manfredo (this is the guy that has has his nose split and broke more times than Tyson has got laid) and chickened out of fighting high-risk Pavlik and opted to fight low-risk and over-the-hill- Roy Jones.

                      I also think that the Kessler fight was close too. I was there live in Cardiff and despite the Calzaghe-nuthugging if you watched the fight I thought he won by maybe 2 points at the most. I had it even going into the last round.

                      He isn't a stand-out fighter. I dislike Warren but there is no denying that Warren made the guy and had ITV not picked up Sports Network's boxing (the main factor here was because Amir Khan won the silver and they wanted to make their millions out of the coverage rights) this guy would still have been a relative unknown. The Lacy fight post-fight hype would have subsided and he would have continued fighting the Eshira Evans' of this world.

                      In my eyes he isn't an ATG, certainly not a top tier one anyway. He's a low-risk, safety first fighter. He was happy fighting nobodys for 7 years. There's a certain 'ambition' lacking in the man I feel.

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