Seriously, No trolling: Name one really good fighter that Kessler has beat.

[The Hammer]

Everybody who says anything wrong about white boxer has an agenda. **** grow up you sook. You call white posters racist against their own race

Your other account "Flawless" was banned for making racist posts.

They should give you an IP ban because you're a hateful little supremacist.

You agree with bsrizpac because he shares your prejudice against Kessler, Calzaghe, the Klitschkos, etc.

[abadger]

Those points are tired and boring. I said good-great FIGHTER. I did not start waxing defensive nonsense about (MW) vs. (SMW).

Hopkins has beaten Tarver and Winky. Those two guys are better skillwise than anyone on Kesslers list other than Joe. Tito was a MW when Hopkins fought him, bull**** from some posters aside, but I'm not getting into THAT again because it's boring and just an attempt to take this off topic and defend Kessler. Nice off topic comment about old ass Hopkins losing to Taylor after throwing three punches a round. You don't think that every fight from Eastman on he was plagued by age based inactivity? In fact that only fight where he really opened up after that was Tarver, but Tarver essentially gave up on that fight after two rounds or so (and I say opened up only if you count a guy throwing an average of 12 punches a round opening up). But again this has been argued to death. Who cares.

I'm not attacking poor Kessler. I think he has potential and at the very least would look good in losing to most anyone.

I am not trying to take this off topic, I am merely pointing out that the argument you are trying to use to criticise Kessler is not very strong, since it can be applied with equal success to boxers who are widely regarded as 'great' themselves. I hope you can see this.

I repeat, if you are looking for boxers who are universally regarded as 'great' on Kessler's resume, you will find he has faced one, but beaten none. This is the same as Hopkins managed at MW. If you are looking for boxers who are 'good', well Beyer had been world champion on more than one occasion, so had Mundine, Siaca had been world champion, Eric Lucas is usually regarded as a solid gatekeeper type opponent, and Andrade is top ten ranked SMW. They are all reasonably good, some more than others. If Hopkins can be an ATG for beating opponents of similar and worse calibre than Mikkel Kessler deserves respect for beating that lot, in a short space of time and winning two belts in the process.

The bottom line is that you are trying to discredit Kessler's achievements based on the usual cheat criteria of 'great opponents' and I have shown you that in reality even some of the very best regarded boxers have few or none of these on their records. I say also that this kind of discrediting is the very worst kind of homerism and ignorance since implicit in it is the assumption that "my boxers beat tons of greats, yeah", without ever once realising that in fact they haven't.

[Flawless.]

Your other account "Flawless" was banned for making racist posts.

They should give you an IP ban because you're a hateful little supremacist.

You agree with bsrizpac because he shares your prejudice against Kessler, Calzaghe, the Klitschkos, etc.

Look who is talking. You call other white posters racist against their own race. You post links to racist websites that have links to storm.front and other neo-**** bull****

[The Hammer]

You are a liar, Flawless. There are no links to storm.front or neo-**** sites on that site.

[Flawless.]

You are a liar, Flawless. There are no links to ********** or neo-**** sites on that site.

There was and I posted tonnes of times, your racist started because of that girl who rejected you and you tried to commit suicide or is it that you look more Asian than white and are a self-hating Asian

[The Hammer]

I getting tired of you're lies, Flawless.

1) I never committed suicide
2) I'm not "a self-hating Asian", I'm white
3) No girl every abandoned me for a black guy

Why can't you be honest?

[Flawless.]

I getting tired of you're lies, Flawless.

1) I never committed suicide
2) I'm not "a self-hating Asian", I'm white
3) No girl every abandoned me for a black guy

Why can't you be honest?

Facts

1) You tried to commit suicide after the girl choose that black guy
2) You send me messages saying you were Asian but considered yourself to be white
3) The girl choose him and you seen hated on black people
4) Post racist websites links to strom.front

[IMDAZED]

Kessler has never beaten a truly "great" boxer. However, questioning his quality is a little bit silly. He is what he is, a young prime champ who has proven himself to be top dog at SMW until either Calzaghe returns or someone else beats him.

This whole "great boxer" thing is really a very distorted way of looking at boxing, it pretends there is a cut off point at which a special class of boxer who has some sort of magical ability to be "great" sits looking down at all others and that all wins below this point do not count. If this was so, no boxer woukld ever be regarded as good.

In his career Roy Jones faced 1 'great' boxer, James Toney and won. One. You can make it two if you include the Hopkins he faced as 'great', I don't.

Bernard Hopkins, widely regarded as the best MW of recent years never beat a 'great' MW and lost to the only one he faced, Jones, as well as not-so-great Jermain Taylor.

James Toney beat possibly great Michael Nunn, he lost to his other great opponent, Jones again.

Yeah that's true but Jones has secondary victories that are greater than Kessler's primary ones.

Same goes for Toney.

And Hopkins.

Pretty unfair to Kessler to even compare him to those three. He's NOWHERE near there in terms of opposition. And, to be honest, he isn't that far away from Jeff Lacy's quality of opposition before he met Calzaghe. We'll see what Kessler does from here on out.

[bsrizpac]

Your other account "Flawless" was banned for making racist posts.

They should give you an IP ban because you're a hateful little supremacist.

You agree with bsrizpac because he shares your prejudice against Kessler, Calzaghe, the Klitschkos, etc.

Hey, I know you have a ****ing learning disability but try to keep up ****ing racist moron: I'm a huge wlad and vitali fan and catch all of their fights.

just cause I don't think Vitali is an ATG Top 10 does not mean I hate him. ****ing moron.

[Jan(DK)]

Okay, have at it. Name the fighter, then please list why you feel he is better than good or average. I'm just wondering cause this debate keeps coming up every week and it's getting old. Let's find the answer.

We all know who Kessler has beaten. As Kessler won the WBA belt, he took on all the top 5 (The Ring) except Lacy in the smw division. The problem, as i see it, is that you/US simply don't respect the opponents. And why - because they haven't fought any of your household names in US. But that simply doesn't mean, that they aren't any good. How can a not US fighter make his stand, when US-fighters keep on fighting them selfs?.