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  • dstew
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    #121
    Originally posted by abadger
    I think Taylor looked better than he did against Pavlik first time out, not much more. If you think Taylor looked better in that one than Kessler did against Calzaghe thats OK, personally I think Kessler showed a hell of a lot more, purely based on skill I'd rate it the second best performance of his career after Andrade.
    I definitely think Taylor looked better. He boxed behind his jab more than he had since Hopkins I and landed cleaner punches.

    Your high impression of Kessler in a lopsided loss to Calzaghe seems to hint toward an overly grandiose opinion of the Welshman.

    Originally posted by abadger
    For me its all moot anyway, the guy I was replying to said that Taylor 'looks better than Kessler in the ring', I don't think its even close.
    That is probably accurate over the last several years at least, but while Taylor's performances against smaller opposition are often belittled, the circumstances of those matchups are rarely considered.

    To review his title reign...
    Hopkins* - Nobody looks good against Hopkins (a Joe C. fan should know this as well as anyone)
    Wright* - Nobody looks good against Wright
    Ouma - This is where the matchmaking starts getting questionable. But Taylor threw everything but the kitchen sink at Ouma, with quite a bit of it landing, and should've knocked him out. Definite disappointment.
    Spinks - Another terrible selection by Taylor's management. It's hard to look good against Spinks, especially when he is running from you half of the night. If you think Kessler would've looked any better chasing a midget around the ring, I question your judgement.
    Pavlik - Despite the losses, the best Taylor has looked in a long time because he was in against a fighter his size (first since bHop) who would stand and trade with him.

    *future HOFers. Getting decisions or drawing against HOF competition is more than Kessler can say for his career thus far.

    Taylor's advancement would've been best served by being matched against true middleweights, even if it meant riskier fights. I think if he was accustomed to fighting guys his size prior to Pavlik I, things might've gone a little differently. Instead his management played it safe, bringing in smaller fighters who ended up being stylistic nightmares, all while trying to preserve his reign without considering his development (both physical and psychological).

    Do I think Taylor would've looked better had he been matched against Kessler's competition? Yes, definitely.

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      #122
      Originally posted by IMDAZED
      Badge, with all due respect - he's fought two guys since losing to Calzaghe (the second coming up) so I'm not sure how he's fought better comp than Taylor since regaining the title.

      Especially when the guy he's fighting next lost to Raul Frank...a welterweight.
      Aren't Haussler and Sartison both Mandatories?

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        #123
        Originally posted by IMDAZED
        So I'm discrediting Kessler by saying Bernard Hopkins would beat Sartison? Go away.


        That's never good.
        Nope. But Sartisan vs Lockett would be mighty close.

        So you agree Taylor is avoiding better comp yet you neglect to criticise him for it but dont have a second thought about criticising Kessler.

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          #124
          Originally posted by Ryn0
          Aren't Haussler and Sartison both Mandatories?
          Yes. And? So he "has" to fight them. They still suck. Especially when you laugh at Taylor for not looking so hot against guys like Ouma, Winky and Spinks. Yet the guy who Kessler is fighting next lost to a welterweight who couldn't hold the jockstrap of any three of them.
          Last edited by IMDAZED; 09-25-2008, 05:26 PM.

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            #125
            i might choose kessler

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            • IMDAZED
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              #126
              Nope. But Sartisan vs Lockett would be mighty close.
              Probably. Wack vs. wack.

              So you agree Taylor is avoiding better comp yet you neglect to criticise him for it but dont have a second thought about criticising Kessler.
              I criticised Kessler for...? Please re-post what I said.

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                #127
                Originally posted by IMDAZED
                Yes. And? So he "has" to fight them. They still suck. Especially when you laugh at Taylor for not looking so hot against guys like Ouma, Winky and Spinks. Yet the guy who Kessler is fighting next lost a welterweight who couldn't hold the jockstrap of any three of them.
                Why have you put "has" in inverted commas. Kessler does have to fight Haussler. Unless of course Pavliks people were willing to stump up the money to invite the man that called him out over to America for a non-title fight.......but they didnt.

                Unless Taylor wasnt choosing easier opponents.

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                • revs1227
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                  #128
                  michelle lol ?????????

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                  • dstew
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                    #129
                    Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
                    Your thoughts on Taylor opting to avoid better competition?
                    I know this wasn't directed toward me, but since I think you and I have been through this before, very recently, I'm going to remind you...

                    It's called a tune up. It's what fighters do when coming off losses or preparing for bigger fights.

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                      #130
                      Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
                      Why have you put "has" in inverted commas. Kessler does have to fight Haussler.
                      I put has because he can do a lot of things. But the WBA belt is obviously very important to him.

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