was prime roy jones the most perfect fighter ever?

[Kris Silver]

Thanks. Just wanted to point out that throwing a lead left hook isn't sloppy. Neither is covering up or not being a very good fighter with your back against the ropes.

And that was my point. Being unorthodox isn't being sloppy - being sloppy is when you do things BADLY - or the definition you just put up.

But that's not entirely what he said, was it:

1) Tendency to leap in behind punches, particularly the left hook. Roy would very often have his feet off the floor when landing this.

2) Defense. Roy's defense often consisted of little more than backing away very fast with his hands lifted above his head.

3) Jab. Roy neglected this throughout his career in favour of loose lead rights and hooks. He would often leave himself wide open when throwing these, but his speed always made up for it. When Roy did jab, he rarely did so with any authority.

4) Ropes. Roy would often simply lean back out of range of his opponents punches with his chin hanging in the air, dangerous should he miscalculate. He also was not that good at fighting off the ropes either, often simply seeking to weather the storm.

Here's some other definitions;

pedantic:
Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules: a pedantic attention to details.

relentless:
Unyielding in severity or strictness; unrelenting: relentless persecution.

Combined, there a recipe for arguments, and filling up pages of text with little value. Accept what people say, or take it private because questioning every little thing draws things out wasting time and space. Can't say fairer than that.

[lparm]

Jones was not the most perfect fighter ever because he relied only on natural gifts and once his gifts started fading he was exposed. I'd rank Hopkins as a better fighter because Hop knew and learned the game, which is why he still mattered at 40+ y.o. and Jones hasnt mattered since '03 when he was the much younger 34 y.o.

[IMDAZED]

But that's not entirely what he said, was it:


Here's some other definitions;

pedantic:
Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules: a pedantic attention to details.

relentless:
Unyielding in severity or strictness; unrelenting: relentless persecution.

Combined, there a recipe for arguments, and filling up pages of text with little value. Accept what people say, or take it private because questioning every little thing draws things out wasting time and space. Can't say fairer than that.

What is your point? Because I've already broken down how that wasn't sloppy. Unless you want to continue the argument FOR him. But that's not the case is it? Yet you now persist in taking the conversation elsewhere...ie ME. Define pedantic again and read it to yourself...slowly.

Goodbye.

[SpArKeD-CoLd]

Absolutely not. Roy was really quite sloppy technically and not a very sound defensive boxer. He may be the most gifted athlete ever to box but he's certainly not the 'perfect fighter'.

I personally rate Mayweather as a better fighter than Roy, he had speed and skill like Roy did but knew how to harness it into a schooled boxing game. Mayweather at his best is closer to unbeatable than Roy at his best IMO.

Neither are better than Sugar Ray Leonard, beyond that I couldn't say.

how do you go 50 -0 undefeated without having a good defence - theres more than one way to defend yourself. That just shows you HOW technically great roy jones is, he didnt need to stand there with his hands high because he was soo talented and technically able to avoid punches.. roy jones defines a technical fighter!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sugar ray leonard wasnt technical you bell end, he used to throw a thousand punches, he worked off workrate and durability a bit like calzaghe

how do you even know how technical mayweather is when he hasnt even tested himself - his technically a wimp - thats about it

roy jones pisses over SRL technically

[IMDAZED]

Dude, please. Half of these guys talking about Leonard have seen about five fights of his.

[lparm]

On a side note if the question was is RJJ the most naturally talented fighter of his generation the answer is yes in a landslide. But like I've said once Roy started losing his natural gifts the lack of boxing fundamentals was exposed.

[T-97]

Dude, please. Half of these guys talking about Leonard have seen about five fights of his.

Do you have proof of this? Or just a guess?

[SpArKeD-CoLd]

On a side note if the question was is RJJ the most naturally talented fighter of his generation the answer is yes in a landslide. But like I've said once Roy started losing his natural gifts the lack of boxing fundamentals was exposed.

by who - hes been knocked out twice

he aint been exposed as a fraud, just coz some1 gets knocked out dont mean they got a glass jaw either.. you dont see roy doing a little dance when he gets hit with a jab

[IMDAZED]

Do you have proof of this? Or just a guess?

Complete guess. But an educated one.

Leonard was as unorthodox as he was textbook. But like any other true great, he did both well. And like most other truly talented fighters, he slipped once his speed dipped. That, as well as inactivity. Ironically, he began slipping even earlier than Jones.

[lparm]

Complete guess. But an educated one.

Leonard was as unorthodox as he was textbook. But like any other true great, he did both well. And like most other truly talented fighters, he slipped once his speed dipped. That, as well as inactivity. Ironically, he began slipping even earlier than Jones.

Well I think you can credit Ray more because he had a serious eye injury that should have ended his career but it didnt. Also look at the ATG's Ray beat and compare that to RJJ who beat Hop arguably before his mental prime and he beat Toney who clearly wasnt in his physical prime for that fight. RJJ has 1 maybe 2 HOF guys on his resume Ray has 4.