Khan's defeat- The elephant in the room

[Fox McCloud]

If he was white, there wouldn't have been so much joy after losing. Hatton is a national hero for having the foresight to fight Floyd to set up his retirement pension.

And this country doesn't need help from me going down the ****ter. This ****ing country is the one which worships someone like David Beckham, despite all the failures and lies.

Say what you want about Khan. But he's got heart and he fronted up when he was 17 and won an Olympic Silver medal. That's alot more meaninful than most of the ****s who are worshipped in this ****** ****ing country have done.

Color and religion didn't matter to me. The fact that people were talking about him beating everyone and being an ATG got on my ****ing nerves.

By the way, people were okay with Hatton losing because he lost to Mayweather Jr.

Prescott is not Mayweather Jr.

EDIT: And, Ricky fought a good fight against Mayweather, and hung in there a long time. Khan did not even have time to fight any kind of fight.

[Porter's Dad]

I think everyone knew this would happen sometime, it was so obviously going to happen.

Boxing is full of supposed 'hype jobs'.

But no-one would ever receive the same reaction after a defeat like Khan did. Like I said, the outpouring of absolute joy from most was incredible.

Incidentally, I know no-one is going to come into this thread and admit that race played a part. But you guys are kidding yourself if you don't accept it's a factor for a lot of people.

A helluva lot of people.

[The Wire]

Yup I do agree. A lot of people I know say they've got nothing against black people but that they don't like Asians. Seriously, I have lost count of the amount of people that have said that to me. And they're not all people that you would expect to think that way, they're successful people, relatively ******* people of all ages etc. I know black people that don't like Asians. So yes, I do agree that that had a lot to do with the fact that people laughed when he lost.

I can honestly say the reason I laughed was due to Frank Warren and the fact that the fight was on box office.

I'm not racist but I do hate Warren. Warrenist maybe?

And for the record I have quite a few Asian friends, it is not me that I'm talking about but a hell of a lot of people that I have met, and a lot of my friends if I'm honest. The funny thing is I have Indian friends that send me 'pakki' jokes because to them 'pakki' literally means Pakistani.

[Welter_Skelter]

If he was white, there wouldn't have been so much joy after losing. Hatton is a national hero for having the foresight to fight Floyd to set up his retirement pension.

And this country doesn't need help from me going down the ****ter. This ****ing country is the one which worships someone like David Beckham, despite all the failures and lies.

Say what you want about Khan. But he's got heart and he fronted up when he was 17 and won an Olympic Silver medal. That's alot more meaninful than most of the ****s who are worshipped in this ****** ****ing country have done.

You make a few valid points.. the UK is obessesed with CELEBRITY and you are not the reason the UK is going down the ****ter...

However the lefist political correct agenda is fuled by ******s and Commies.. and someone who is obvioulsy an Immigrant.. sghould shut the **** up or get out.. So in a sense Nicky is right too.. and YOU ARE THE PROBELM.. enjoy the generousity of the White Christain ********..or **** off back to whatever **** filled hellhole you crawled out of..

[Jambo boy]

If he was white, there wouldn't have been so much joy after losing. Hatton is a national hero for having the foresight to fight Floyd to set up his retirement pension.

And this country doesn't need help from me going down the ****ter. This ****ing country is the one which worships someone like David Beckham, despite all the failures and lies.

Say what you want about Khan. But he's got heart and he fronted up when he was 17 and won an Olympic Silver medal. That's alot more meaninful than most of the ****s who are worshipped in this ****** ****ing country have done.

Are you seriously comparing Khan - Prescott to Mayweather - Hatton??

[Nicky_Hatton]

And then I myself acknowlegded the elephant...

Khan is a young ****** male.

Now, I'm not saying everyone hates him so much because of his race and religion. I myself dislike some sportsment for reasons which probably wouldn't up to scrutiny. I know sometimes it just happens.

But come on, folks. We're talking something like 95% of people who were delighted to see a young man get brutally knocked out in front of his family. That can't be right. I don't just mean people on here, I'm talking everywhere - other boxing forums, non-boxing forums, real life.

Look, I'm one of those people who becomes exasperated when people go for the race card. That whole Floyd/HBO thing was bollocks.

But, IMHO, I cant see any other reason here.

Khan might be a little ****y but which boxer isn't???? In fact, I always construed this attitude more as ambition rather than a loathsome hubris.

See, let's compare him to Naseem Hamed. I used to know people who used to think he was despised because of his race. I disagreed because I thought he was just such a disrespectful prick sometimes (although I do love him now more than I ever did back then) that people thought he was insufferable.

But Khan...he seems like a decent guy. For all his chin/defence problems, I admire his heart to get up and keep going. The kid's got bottle. And he's never been mean and horribly cutting that some boxers can be.

And yet...people despise him to a frightening degree.

What gets me the most are all the ****ing Brits who hate him. These ****s should be thankful that a 17 year old kid had the balls to front up and fight men older and more experienced than him. If it wasn't for Khan, you wouldn't have even had a boxing team in 2004, he was the sole representative...or have you ****ing forgotten that? And do you not think Khan was inspiration in some way to the team of 2008? ****s.

Anyway...

I just find all the Khan hate borderline disturbing. And even though it's a depressing thought, I cannot help but feel that who he is - a young ****** male- is the reason for all the vitriol.

Discuss.

1. Elephant? No put 2 + 2 together and got 5.

2. No one was delighted, the majority of the 95% saw it coming, however we didn't see it coming againt what was perceived as another Warren hand picked bum. I think the initial questions regarding his chin, and the level of his opp. really added to the "excitement" of the moment.

3. Admire his heart? I don;t know, would you define it as heart? He only got up due to sheer embarrassment, not because HE HAD TO win the fight to help better himself or his life. He can talk about hunger, but the fact is he's already living a privleged and extremely comfortable life. Surely heart comes from desire?

4. Why should we thank someone for boxing for England, when we DIDN'T ask them to. I think you have nationalistic disillusion. Answer me this, did Khan box for himself? or for Britain? Did he train and say I'm going to win this medal for Britian? Did he ****. Would he rep another country if he couldn;'t gb, of course.

AGain, we didn't ask for a boxing team in 2004.

Did he inspire 2008? Quite possible yes. I mean of course he was an inspiration. to 2008. Then again who's to say we didn't have prospects rising regardless?

I think the role of religion as part of British identity if overplayed, and somewhat redudnant nowadays, especially in light of the postmodernist Multi cultural Britian line of thought.

[Porter's Dad]

Color and religion didn't matter to me. The fact that people were talking about him beating everyone and being an ATG got on my ****ing nerves.

By the way, people were okay with Hatton losing because he lost to Mayweather Jr.

Prescott is not Mayweather Jr.

EDIT: And, Ricky fought a good fight against Mayweather, and hung in there a long time. Khan did not even have time to fight any kind of fight.

No-one talked about him being an ATG. No-one. Get that through your head.

Hatton hung in there? not quite as good as Baldy and Judah though, eh?

Let's face it. Hatton is the working class lad from Manchester who loves his football and pints.

Khan is the ****** male who has sponsorships and drives a flash car.

It's all about perception. I see through Hatton's working class hero act.

[Porter's Dad]

Are you seriously comparing Khan - Prescott to Mayweather - Hatton??

I'm comparing Khan to Hatton.

But, justifiably, are hype jobs.

Except one gets his balls ****** and the other gets crucified.

[S.G.]

personally i dislike him because of:

A. His unfounded arrogance/delusion about his abilities
B: The pedistal British media and British boxing-knowledge-lacking-fans put him on
C: The severe overrating he receives (not on here particularly, but IRL, i sometimes feel like he's wearing the Emporer's New Clothes and i'm the only one who can see he's a fraud)
D: I have a subconscious tendency to go against the grain
E: He is just not a likable character

i'm guessing most people dislike him for (some of) the above reasons too...

[Nicky_Hatton]

If he was white, there wouldn't have been so much joy after losing. Hatton is a national hero for having the foresight to fight Floyd to set up his retirement pension.

And this country doesn't need help from me going down the ****ter. This ****ing country is the one which worships someone like David Beckham, despite all the failures and lies.

Say what you want about Khan. But he's got heart and he fronted up when he was 17 and won an Olympic Silver medal. That's alot more meaninful than most of the ****s who are worshipped in this ****** ****ing country have done.

Yes, therr would have been if Ricky Hatton had been shoved down our throats at that age, whilst having acheiecved in the grand scheme of things **** ALL, and then said 15 quid to watch.

What has the beckham point got to do with this? If anything he's a **** example, as Beckham was so 90's where as the yanks are still going crazy for him, when we stopped caring years back.

Fronted up? LOL, it was his choice. Geez you make it sound like he opposed the ****'s or something.