Haye's future is a little hazy

[lparm]

Like I said, you are judging a fighter on his 11th fight! How is that fair. Haye didn't have good stamina at the time, and went all out in the first 2 rounds. The shots didn't start effecting him in the 2nd, towards the middle of the 3rd Haye started to tire and that's when they had some effect. It wasn't until the 4th and 5th that the shots started to really effect him though. Haye has improved his stamina since then, he went 12 rounds, fought a 9 round fight with Fragomeni at a good pace, 7 rounds against Mormeck.

At the time he fought Thompson I think his longest fight was 4 rounds.

I've already admitted that if Haye beats a name I was wrong and I'm man enough to say that before it happens, so why dont you tell me that if Haye turns out to be another glass jawed brit you were wrong.

[T-97]

I've already admitted that if Haye beats a name I was wrong and I'm man enough to say that before it happens, so why dont you tell me that if Haye turns out to be another glass jawed brit you were wrong.

I have never claimed Haye has a good chin. I have made numerous posts adressing the issue that his chin will not be good enough to take a true heavyweights punch. I have also said I think he will fail to dominate at heavyweight, and doubt he will even win a major title. He has the speed and power, but his defense is lacking badly and his chin in aweful. His stamina hasn't looked too bad, but he gassed and got stopped once and a similar thing could very well happen against a fighter like Peter or Chambers who could take his punches.

If Haye gets beaten, I will only be proven correctly. I would only be proven wrong if he was to actually become a top fighter at heavyweight.

Also, I like the way you couldn't resist throwing in a "Brit" comment, that was very mature of you.

[lparm]

I have never claimed Haye has a good chin. I have made numerous posts adressing the issue that his chin will not be good enough to take a true heavyweights punch. I have also said I think he will fail to dominate at heavyweight, and doubt he will even win a major title. He has the speed and power, but his defense is lacking badly and his chin in aweful. His stamina hasn't looked too bad, but he gassed and got stopped once and a similar thing could very well happen against a fighter like Peter or Chambers who could take his punches.

If Haye gets beaten, I will only be proven correctly. I would only be proven wrong if he was to actually become a top fighter at heavyweight.

Also, I like the way you couldn't resist throwing in a "Brit" comment, that was very mature of you.

Well obviously you view Haye similar to how I do and we both think he has alot to prove. Also the "brit" comment uh yeah he's british I cant really say the glass jawed american can I? I wasnt trying to offend I was pointing out that many top heavyweight brits have been exposed as having glass jaws, audley, lewis, bruno, etc. No offense meant to british people just stating the origin of the fighter.

[T-97]

Well obviously you view Haye similar to how I do and we both think he has alot to prove. Also the "brit" comment uh yeah he's british I cant really say the glass jawed american can I? I wasnt trying to offend I was pointing out that many top heavyweight brits have been exposed as having glass jaws, audley, lewis, bruno, etc. No offense meant to british people just stating the origin of the fighter.

Fair enough, often people constantly refer to Brits as Glass chin this, Glass chin that etc to try to annoy Brits. Sorry.

Haye is one of my favourite fighters, but his mouth has dug him a very deep hole right now. I actually have doubts that he will get to Wlad (Unless he does what you say, fight bums), and if he does. I just don't see him winning. Outbox him? No way. He has to go all out early, and he will have to take a lot of punches to do it, and with his aweful chin I can't see it...

I wouldn't say Lennox has a glass chin though, he did get Stopped twice. But he also took a lot of big shots from Vitali Klitschko and wasn't down, he took shots off Tyson and Tua (Although, not many). So I wouldn't say it was glass, else those guys would have been able to drop and/or Stop him. I wouldn't say it was granite, but I think his chin was fairly good. Audley and Bruno both had weak chins though, especially Audley.

[lparm]

Fair enough, often people constantly refer to Brits as Glass chin this, Glass chin that etc to try to annoy Brits. Sorry.

Haye is one of my favourite fighters, but his mouth has dug him a very deep hole right now. I actually have doubts that he will get to Wlad (Unless he does what you say, fight bums), and if he does. I just don't see him winning. Outbox him? No way. He has to go all out early, and he will have to take a lot of punches to do it, and with his aweful chin I can't see it...

I wouldn't say Lennox has a glass chin though, he did get Stopped twice. But he also took a lot of big shots from Vitali Klitschko and wasn't down, he took shots off Tyson and Tua (Although, not many). So I wouldn't say it was glass, else those guys would have been able to drop and/or Stop him. I wouldn't say it was granite, but I think his chin was fairly good. Audley and Bruno both had weak chins though, especially Audley.

If memory serves it was the Bruno fight that people starting questioning Lewis' chin. Lewis became a very good defensive fighter over the years and started tying up harder hitters like Tyson and Tua which is probably why not many shots landed, against Vitali you have a solid argument although I've heard some say Vitali had overrated power and unlike his bro doesnt have the ability to crush someone with one shot.

[T-97]

If memory serves it was the Bruno fight that people starting questioning Lewis' chin. Lewis became a very good defensive fighter over the years and started tying up harder hitters like Tyson and Tua which is probably why not many shots landed, against Vitali you have a solid argument although I've heard some say Vitali had overrated power and unlike his bro doesnt have the ability to crush someone with one shot.

True, Vitali probably didn't have the same 1 punch power as Wlad. But he still had very good power, more than enough to KO any weak chinned fighter. I think the reason Tyson and Tua didn't land much is, firstly as you said he tyed them up, and secondly he would work well with his jab to stop them from getting close enough to land. The Bruno fight was very odd with Lewis, he looked very bad early and some have said it is possible that the cold (The fight was out doors) may have meant Len took a while to warm up.